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Post by oilsooner on Oct 8, 2018 8:00:44 GMT -6
Watching a Frontline hit piece on the Trump campaign, obstruction, and the "war" against the IC. Brennan, Clapper, Jeh Johnson, former Obama administration officials, and various "journalists" all give their unbiased opinions on this and more. Not a peep that so much of the information from Mueller is total bs. The main theme of the piece seems to be promotion of Saint James. Fighting for truth, justice, and the American way. Comey didn't leak. He just had important information that needed to get out. Not far behind was Mueller - another great American. Yeah, I remember back when I posted on the Frontline thread on LT that I thought it had went straight left, I was told by the never trumpers that they were as good as they ever where. I haven't wanted a Frontline in at least 18 months, though its still on series record. I'll watch the opening setup for one every once in a while, but never make it more than 10 minutes. The propaganda is everywhere.
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Post by kcrufnek on Oct 8, 2018 11:21:48 GMT -6
Yeah, I remember back when I posted on the Frontline thread on LT that I thought it had went straight left, I was told by the never trumpers that they were as good as they ever where. I haven't wanted a Frontline in at least 18 months, though its still on series record. I'll watch the opening setup for one every once in a while, but never make it more than 10 minutes. The propaganda is everywhere. Try watching it. It's extremely one sided. Unflattering pics of Trump.No mention that the interviewing agents feel Flynn didn't lie. Nothing about Pop and Page being set up. Nothing about the Dossier being totally made up. Nothing about all the ties of the Clintons, the DNC, and so many others to Russia. Nothing about Comey making up his mind before interviewing Hillary. Struck/Stroke was made to look like some sort of champion. Some parts of it were interesting but it quickly became hard to watch. There was also extensive tongue bathing of Rosenstein. They presented him indicting those 11 Russians as the second coming of killing UBL.
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Post by Boots on Oct 8, 2018 11:24:58 GMT -6
Anyone seen any Russians?
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Post by sheepdog on Oct 8, 2018 12:13:14 GMT -6
Anyone seen any Russians? Would Alan Arkin suffice for that's all I can report at this time.
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Post by kcrufnek on Oct 8, 2018 13:37:58 GMT -6
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Post by redrex1 on Oct 8, 2018 13:50:52 GMT -6
Anyone seen any Russians? Ask ICKY----He has proof
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Post by sheepdog on Oct 8, 2018 14:02:24 GMT -6
The paranoia in that movie was for dramatic effect and was purely fictional while the same thing obviously cannot be said for a large component of our society which is quite sad.
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Post by soonernvolved on Oct 9, 2018 11:33:37 GMT -6
thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/410447-former-fbi-lawyer-plot-to-record-remove-trump-not-a-jokeBaker told Congress last week that his boss — then-Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe — was dead serious about the idea of surreptitiously recording the 45th president and using the evidence to make the case that Trump should be removed from office, according to my sources. Baker told lawmakers he wasn’t in the meeting that McCabe had with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in which the subject came up. But he did have firsthand conversations with McCabe and the FBI lawyer assigned to McCabe, Lisa Page, about the issue. “As far as Baker was concerned, this was a real plan being discussed,” said a source directly familiar with the congressional investigation. “It was no laughing matter for the FBI.” Word of Baker’s testimony surfaces just days before Rosenstein is set to be interviewed in private on Thursday by House Judiciary Committee lawmakers. “You walk away from the Baker interview with little doubt that the FBI leadership in that 2016-17 time-frame saw itself as far more than a neutral investigative agency but actually as a force to stop Trump’s election before it happened and then maybe reversing it after the election was over,” said a source directly familiar with the congressional investigation.
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Post by kcrufnek on Oct 9, 2018 12:39:58 GMT -6
thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/410447-former-fbi-lawyer-plot-to-record-remove-trump-not-a-jokeBaker told Congress last week that his boss — then-Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe — was dead serious about the idea of surreptitiously recording the 45th president and using the evidence to make the case that Trump should be removed from office, according to my sources. Baker told lawmakers he wasn’t in the meeting that McCabe had with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in which the subject came up. But he did have firsthand conversations with McCabe and the FBI lawyer assigned to McCabe, Lisa Page, about the issue. “As far as Baker was concerned, this was a real plan being discussed,” said a source directly familiar with the congressional investigation. “It was no laughing matter for the FBI.” Word of Baker’s testimony surfaces just days before Rosenstein is set to be interviewed in private on Thursday by House Judiciary Committee lawmakers. “You walk away from the Baker interview with little doubt that the FBI leadership in that 2016-17 time-frame saw itself as far more than a neutral investigative agency but actually as a force to stop Trump’s election before it happened and then maybe reversing it after the election was over,” said a source directly familiar with the congressional investigation. By the time Baker is done there will be no room left under the bus.
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Post by oilsooner on Oct 9, 2018 14:43:28 GMT -6
thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/410447-former-fbi-lawyer-plot-to-record-remove-trump-not-a-jokeBaker told Congress last week that his boss — then-Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe — was dead serious about the idea of surreptitiously recording the 45th president and using the evidence to make the case that Trump should be removed from office, according to my sources. Baker told lawmakers he wasn’t in the meeting that McCabe had with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in which the subject came up. But he did have firsthand conversations with McCabe and the FBI lawyer assigned to McCabe, Lisa Page, about the issue. “As far as Baker was concerned, this was a real plan being discussed,” said a source directly familiar with the congressional investigation. “It was no laughing matter for the FBI.” Word of Baker’s testimony surfaces just days before Rosenstein is set to be interviewed in private on Thursday by House Judiciary Committee lawmakers. “You walk away from the Baker interview with little doubt that the FBI leadership in that 2016-17 time-frame saw itself as far more than a neutral investigative agency but actually as a force to stop Trump’s election before it happened and then maybe reversing it after the election was over,” said a source directly familiar with the congressional investigation. By the time Baker is done there will be no room left under the bus. He may be a lawyer and a traitor, but he’s not an idiot. Speaking of idiots, I don’t think the left even knows Baker has become the Manafort they predicted. Lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by soonernvolved on Oct 10, 2018 9:52:00 GMT -6
Steele finally speaks: dailycaller.com/2018/10/10/christopher-steele-trump-criticism/The retired British spy who authored a salacious dossier accusing the Trump campaign of colluding with Russia is taking a veiled shot at the president following 18 months of silence. Christopher Steele has not spoken publicly since March 2017, a couple of months after the publication of his infamous dossier. But the former MI6 officer issued his first comments in response to being named to Vanity Fair’s 2018 New Establishment List. “In these strange and troubling times, it is hard to speak unpalatable truths to power, but I believe we all still have a duty to do so. I salute those on your list, and otherwise, who have had the courage to speak out over the last year, often at great personal cost,” Steele wrote in an email to Vanity Fair editor-in-chief Radhika Jones, ABC News reported. “At a time when governance is so distorted and one-sided, as I believe it currently is in the United States, the media has a key role to play in holding it accountable,” Steele continued. www.vanityfair.com/new-establishment-listabcnews.go.com/International/mi6-spy-christopher-steele-compiled-controversial-dossier-breaks/story?id=58401245Special counsel Robert Mueller is the top pick on the list. Steele is No. 38. Steele has rejected congressional requests to discuss his investigation of Trump. He has reportedly met with members of Mueller’s team. Steele began investigating Trump in June 2016 after being hired by Fusion GPS, an opposition research firm that was working for the Clinton campaign and DNC. Steele claimed in his 35-page report that the Russian government was blackmailing Trump with video of him engaged with prostitutes in a Moscow hotel room in 2013. Steele also claimed that members of the Trump campaign met secretly with Kremlin insiders with the goal of releasing documents stolen from the DNC and Clinton campaign. None of the allegations have been publicly verified, but the FBI relied heavily on the dossier to obtain surveillance warrants against former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. Steele said that he will not be able to attend Vanity Fair’s gala for the New Establishment event. “In more normal times, I would have welcomed the opportunity to join you at your New Establishment Summit in the US this week,” he wrote. “Sadly, in the present legal and political situation I am unable to do so, but I sincerely hope and trust that these circumstances will change soon.”
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Post by soonernvolved on Oct 10, 2018 12:30:04 GMT -6
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Post by kcrufnek on Oct 10, 2018 14:08:56 GMT -6
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Post by oilsooner on Oct 10, 2018 16:02:10 GMT -6
Steele finally speaks: dailycaller.com/2018/10/10/christopher-steele-trump-criticism/The retired British spy who authored a salacious dossier accusing the Trump campaign of colluding with Russia is taking a veiled shot at the president following 18 months of silence. Christopher Steele has not spoken publicly since March 2017, a couple of months after the publication of his infamous dossier. But the former MI6 officer issued his first comments in response to being named to Vanity Fair’s 2018 New Establishment List. “In these strange and troubling times, it is hard to speak unpalatable truths to power, but I believe we all still have a duty to do so. I salute those on your list, and otherwise, who have had the courage to speak out over the last year, often at great personal cost,” Steele wrote in an email to Vanity Fair editor-in-chief Radhika Jones, ABC News reported. “At a time when governance is so distorted and one-sided, as I believe it currently is in the United States, the media has a key role to play in holding it accountable,” Steele continued. www.vanityfair.com/new-establishment-listabcnews.go.com/International/mi6-spy-christopher-steele-compiled-controversial-dossier-breaks/story?id=58401245Special counsel Robert Mueller is the top pick on the list. Steele is No. 38. Steele has rejected congressional requests to discuss his investigation of Trump. He has reportedly met with members of Mueller’s team. Steele began investigating Trump in June 2016 after being hired by Fusion GPS, an opposition research firm that was working for the Clinton campaign and DNC. Steele claimed in his 35-page report that the Russian government was blackmailing Trump with video of him engaged with prostitutes in a Moscow hotel room in 2013. Steele also claimed that members of the Trump campaign met secretly with Kremlin insiders with the goal of releasing documents stolen from the DNC and Clinton campaign. None of the allegations have been publicly verified, but the FBI relied heavily on the dossier to obtain surveillance warrants against former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. Steele said that he will not be able to attend Vanity Fair’s gala for the New Establishment event. “In more normal times, I would have welcomed the opportunity to join you at your New Establishment Summit in the US this week,” he wrote. “Sadly, in the present legal and political situation I am unable to do so, but I sincerely hope and trust that these circumstances will change soon.” What an odd statement. He didn’t back up his claims at all. Just a bunch of vague platitudes. Also, this list is beyond partisan, so an odd one for an innocent man to reach out to first.
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Post by soonernvolved on Oct 11, 2018 4:51:32 GMT -6
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Post by soonernvolved on Oct 11, 2018 8:50:32 GMT -6
www.dailywire.com/news/36987/obama-had-secret-plan-case-trump-didnt-accept-2016-ryan-saavedraFormer President Barack Obama had a secret plan in place for what his administration would do if then-candidate Donald Trump lost the 2016 election to Hillary Clinton and refused to accept the results. ............ "The Obama White House plan, according to interviews with Rhodes and Jen Psaki, Obama’s communications director, called for congressional Republicans, former presidents, and former Cabinet-level officials including Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, to try and forestall a political crisis by validating the election result," the Intelligencer reported. "In the event that Trump tried to dispute a Clinton victory, they would affirm the result as well as the conclusions reached by the U.S. intelligence community that Russian interference in the election sought to favor Trump, and not Clinton." nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/obama-had-a-secret-plan-in-case-trump-rejected-2016-results.htmlPsaki said that the Obama administration worried that Trump supporters would riot if Trump lost and now claims that Trump is trying to delegitimize any attempt at impeachment to give "fodder for his supporters to work with in the event that things go down a dark path for him." In the two years since the 2016 presidential election, the loser, Hillary Clinton, has yet to accept the fact that she lost and has repeatedly blamed everything imaginable for the outcome. Clinton encouraged discord and fighting this week during an interview with CNN where she said that Democrats "cannot be civil" towards Republicans.
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Post by politicalmexininja on Oct 11, 2018 9:10:49 GMT -6
Still waiting on the unredacted FISA papers....
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Post by oilsooner on Oct 11, 2018 9:18:29 GMT -6
www.dailywire.com/news/36987/obama-had-secret-plan-case-trump-didnt-accept-2016-ryan-saavedraFormer President Barack Obama had a secret plan in place for what his administration would do if then-candidate Donald Trump lost the 2016 election to Hillary Clinton and refused to accept the results. ............ "The Obama White House plan, according to interviews with Rhodes and Jen Psaki, Obama’s communications director, called for congressional Republicans, former presidents, and former Cabinet-level officials including Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, to try and forestall a political crisis by validating the election result," the Intelligencer reported. "In the event that Trump tried to dispute a Clinton victory, they would affirm the result as well as the conclusions reached by the U.S. intelligence community that Russian interference in the election sought to favor Trump, and not Clinton." nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/obama-had-a-secret-plan-in-case-trump-rejected-2016-results.htmlPsaki said that the Obama administration worried that Trump supporters would riot if Trump lost and now claims that Trump is trying to delegitimize any attempt at impeachment to give "fodder for his supporters to work with in the event that things go down a dark path for him." In the two years since the 2016 presidential election, the loser, Hillary Clinton, has yet to accept the fact that she lost and has repeatedly blamed everything imaginable for the outcome. Clinton encouraged discord and fighting this week during an interview with CNN where she said that Democrats "cannot be civil" towards Republicans. Its crazy how far gone these people were. They were ready for Hillary to destroy Trump at the polls, then the "alt reich" to rise up and try to take the government down. These people were products of their own echo chambers (the main guy pushing this - Ben Rhodes - was the guy who bragged about creating echo chambers), and were seriously bat shit crazy. They still are, but they were then too.
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Post by oilsooner on Oct 11, 2018 9:20:38 GMT -6
Still waiting on the unredacted FISA papers.... Same. I hear that Britain and Australia are the big hold ups, as the FISA shows that they were helping the FBI spy on Trump, and they dont want the embarrassment. Of course, we wont know if thats true until the app is unclassified, and I don't think saving face for the British or Australians is reason enough to hide what our government was doing to its citizens.
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Post by kcrufnek on Oct 11, 2018 9:44:47 GMT -6
www.dailywire.com/news/36987/obama-had-secret-plan-case-trump-didnt-accept-2016-ryan-saavedraFormer President Barack Obama had a secret plan in place for what his administration would do if then-candidate Donald Trump lost the 2016 election to Hillary Clinton and refused to accept the results. ............ "The Obama White House plan, according to interviews with Rhodes and Jen Psaki, Obama’s communications director, called for congressional Republicans, former presidents, and former Cabinet-level officials including Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, to try and forestall a political crisis by validating the election result," the Intelligencer reported. "In the event that Trump tried to dispute a Clinton victory, they would affirm the result as well as the conclusions reached by the U.S. intelligence community that Russian interference in the election sought to favor Trump, and not Clinton." nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/obama-had-a-secret-plan-in-case-trump-rejected-2016-results.htmlPsaki said that the Obama administration worried that Trump supporters would riot if Trump lost and now claims that Trump is trying to delegitimize any attempt at impeachment to give "fodder for his supporters to work with in the event that things go down a dark path for him." In the two years since the 2016 presidential election, the loser, Hillary Clinton, has yet to accept the fact that she lost and has repeatedly blamed everything imaginable for the outcome. Clinton encouraged discord and fighting this week during an interview with CNN where she said that Democrats "cannot be civil" towards Republicans. Psaki and Rhodes? Two of the biggest liars on the planet. Knowing everything we now know is anyone surprised by this? Remember how people scoffed when trump said it was rigged against him? I've always said the farther we get away from Obama leaving office the more we will find out. What I don't get is how open they seem to be about what they did. Like it's no big deal.
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Post by soonernvolved on Oct 11, 2018 19:16:06 GMT -6
thehill.com/policy/national-security/411062-fusion-gps-co-founder-will-invoke-constitutional-rights-not-toThe lawyers told Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) in an electronic letter that Simpson will not participate in the committee’s inquiry because it “is not designed to discover the truth.” “Consistent with the September 27, 2018 letter we sent to you, Mr. Simpson, whose testimony is a matter of public record, will not be participating in a confidential deposition before this Committee,” lawyers for Simpson wrote, according to a copy of the letter obtained by The Hill. “He will instead invoke his constitutional rights not to testify under the First and Fifth Amendments of the Constitution.” In the latest scathing letter, the lawyers continued to slam the committee — marking a departure from the otherwise typically quiet approach that most lawyers and witnesses involved in this joint probe have taken. “The obvious — and at times explicitly stated — goal of this Committee is to discredit and otherwise damage witnesses to Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, all as part of an effort to protect a President who has sought to placate and curry favor with a hostile foreign power and who demands that the Justice Department stop investigating him,” they wrote. The lawyers accused the panels’ Republicans of seeking to “ruin the reputations of some of the government’s most dedicated and experienced civil servants,” in an attempt to “weaken the independence of this Justice Department.”
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Post by soonernvolved on Oct 11, 2018 19:17:01 GMT -6
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Post by soonernvolved on Oct 11, 2018 19:18:41 GMT -6
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Post by kcrufnek on Oct 11, 2018 19:59:11 GMT -6
Almost everything she does is spot on.
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Post by kcrufnek on Oct 11, 2018 20:01:04 GMT -6
He might have to explain why he met with the Russian lawyer before and after the Trump Tower meeting.
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Post by oilsooner on Oct 12, 2018 10:22:21 GMT -6
That's why we need to step this shit up, and make it a criminal investigation. Then, they can refuse to incriminate themselves, but it may cost them their freedom. We'll see if that doesn't loosen some lips, so we can figure out how far this thing went.
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Post by trumped on Oct 12, 2018 14:18:19 GMT -6
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Post by soonernvolved on Oct 15, 2018 5:15:46 GMT -6
dailycaller.com/2018/10/14/fbi-evidence-refutes-papadopoulos/A top Republican lawmaker said Sunday that the FBI failed to provide a federal surveillance court with evidence that “directly” contracted the bureau’s rationale for opening the Trump-Russia investgation Rep. John Ratcliffe told Fox News that the evidence related to former Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos The FBI opened its investigation in July 2016 based on intelligence from the Australian government about Papadopoulos Republican lawmakers have hinted for months that the FBI failed to provide federal judges on the surveillance court with information that undercut the government’s premise for opening the Trump-Russia probe in 2016. Republicans have suggested in interviews that the information related to George Papadopoulos, the former Trump campaign adviser whose conversation with an Australian diplomat prompted the FBI to open its investigation into the Trump campaign. Texas Rep. John Ratcliffe provided Sunday the clearest picture to date of what the FBI allegedly withheld from the surveillance court. Ratcliffe suggested that the FBI failed to include evidence regarding former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, in an interview with Fox News. Ratcliffe noted that the FBI opened its investigation on July 31, 2016, after receiving information from the Australian government about a conversation that Papadopoulos had on May 10, 2016, with Alexander Downer, the top Australian diplomat to the U.K. Downer claimed that Papadopoulos told him that Russians had derogatory information on Hillary Clinton. But Ratcliffe, a top member of the House Judiciary Committee, suggested on Sunday that the FBI and Justice Department had information that contradicted its intelligence on Papadopoulos. “Hypothetically, if the Department of Justice and the FBI have another piece of evidence that directly refutes that, that directly contradicts that, what you would expect is for the Department of Justice to present both sides of the coin to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to evaluate the weight and sufficiency of that evidence,” Ratcliffe said. “Instead, what happened here was Department of Justice and FBI officials in the Obama administration in October of 2016 only presented to the court the evidence that made the government’s case to get a warrant to spy on a Trump campaign associate,” he added. The FBI obtained a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant against another Trump campaign aide, Carter Page, on Oct. 21, 2016. The application for the warrant relied heavily on the unverified Steele dossier to assert that Page was acting as a foreign agent of Russia. Page has vehemently denied the allegations. The FBI’s FISA applications also referred to Papadopoulos, but the documents are so heavily redacted that it is not clear why he is mentioned. Other Republican lawmakers have hinted that intelligence exists which exonerates Papadopoulos, who has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about contacts he had with a Maltese professor named Joseph Mifsud. Ratcliffe said that declassification of a batch of FBI and Justice Department documents “would corroborate” his claims about the Papadopoulos intelligence.
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Post by trumped on Oct 15, 2018 14:15:50 GMT -6
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Post by kcrufnek on Oct 15, 2018 17:56:23 GMT -6
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