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Post by oilsooner on Sept 8, 2018 7:02:48 GMT -6
“Pass it and then figure out how to fund it,”
Holy shit. and people will vote for this idiot We just allowed it in Oklahoma....$500,000,000 tax increase when we are having record tax revenue...crazy Do what? More info please. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by soonernvolved on Sept 8, 2018 7:56:03 GMT -6
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/07/nancy-pelosi-trashes-jobs-report-analysts-call-greatest-of-all-time/House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who would likely become Speaker of the House if Democrats win the midterm elections in November, trashed Friday’s jobs report — even though Blackrock called it “the greatest of all time.” The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the U.S. economy created 201,000 new jobs in August — more than the 190,000 expected — and unemployment stayed at 3.9%. Moreover, wages grew 2.9% year-on-year. Blackrock, an investment company, praised it not just for the numbers in it, “but rather for the fact that it serves as something of a capstone.. the greatest run of job gains in US history, with 19 million new jobs created since the start of 2010,” according to CNBC’s Carl Quintanilla. Even former President Barack Obama, in a speech attacking President Donald Trump, acknowledged that the Trump economy was doing “great” — though he felt that he deserved credit for it, and mocked Republicans who criticized his economic record. But “great” or “greatest of all time” was still not great enough for Pelosi, who tweeted that the August jobs report “further evidence that the soaring cost of living for families continues to lead to stagnant real wage growth for workers.” She issued a longer statement: August’s jobs report shows that the soaring cost of living for families continues to lead to stagnant real wage growth for workers. While the wealthy and well-connected fill their pockets, hard-working men and women are struggling to keep up with everyday needs that are getting more and more expensive. Families across the country are facing soaring health costs from the GOP’s sabotage campaign and skyrocketing prescription drug prices from the same Big Pharma companies that were just handed massive unpaid-for tax breaks by the GOP tax scam for the rich. But instead of fighting for families and seniors, the Republican Congress wants to add even more to the deficit with even bigger tax breaks for the wealthiest 1 percent, hoping to force cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. The American people deserve better than a Republican Congress and Administration that ransacks their pocketbooks and futures again and again, just to enrich the GOP’s special interest friends. Democrats are fighting For The People: lowering their health care costs and prescription drug prices, increasing pay through strong economic growth by rebuilding America, and cleaning up corruption to make Washington work for the American people. The inflation rate is currently reported to be 2.9%.
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Post by principledcon on Sept 8, 2018 8:31:07 GMT -6
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Post by oilsooner on Sept 8, 2018 14:38:36 GMT -6
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Post by soonernvolved on Sept 9, 2018 13:50:05 GMT -6
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Post by soonernvolved on Sept 10, 2018 7:57:29 GMT -6
www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/sweden-election-results-populist-pattern-elites-lost-touch/As in the U.S., populism gains ground when media and government leaders deride many voters’ concerns. Sweden’s elections on Sunday carry the same lesson we should have already learned with Brexit and Donald Trump’s 2016 victory: Those whom political elites view as “deplorables” are going to have their say. The question now is whether elites will continue to ignore them and the lessons they bring.Once a poster child for political consensus, Sweden is now deeply polarized. Parties on the traditional right and those on the traditional left wound up in a photo finish, each with about 41 percent of the vote. The remaining 18 percent of the vote was captured by Sweden Democrats (SD), a once obscure populist party with some roots in 1980s neofascism. It has since largely cleaned up its act and seen its support skyrocket as other parties have ignored its key issues of immigration and crime. The SD claims it now practices a “zero-tolerance” policy against members who make openly racist or anti-Semitic statements. Despite the growth of the Sweden Democrats, none of the seven mainstream parties will have anything to do with the party, with most labeling it “racist” and “extremist.” Johan Norberg, a Swedish commentator, says that “no other party will deal with them.” He adds that the SD’s stance on many issues “makes them unreliable partners to either side because on the one hand they want to maintain the famous Swedish welfare state but on the other are climate-change skeptics and promise to cut taxes on fuel.” Whatever their stated reason, the refusal of all other parties to negotiate with the SD may now lead to political paralysis in Sweden, since neither the combined forces of the Right or the Left parties can command the majority needed to form a stable government. The irony is that all of this turmoil is happening during relatively good economic times. Just as with Brexit and Trump’s victory, the populist revolt in Sweden is taking place during a time of falling unemployment. But the instability of today’s job markets and slow wage growth cancel that out. In Sweden, only 27 percent of voters believe that the country is heading in the right direction, while 50 percent think that it is going in the wrong direction. The key moment that gave the Swedish Democrats their opening was the 2015 migrant crisis. In Germany, the admission of 1 million migrants caused support for the major parties to collapse and fueled the rise of the populist Alternative for Germany. In Sweden, a similar result occurred after the country took in 165,000 asylum seekers in one year. That would be the equivalent of the United States admitting some 6 million refugees in a year. But what really made the Swedish migrant crisis a political tinderbox is that elites decided that discussing the issue in frank terms — including its negative impacts — was forbidden in the media and polite society. As Tino Sanandaji, a researcher of Iranian Kurdish background at the Institute for Economic and Business History Research in Stockholm, wrote at Politico today: Over time, “openness” and “multi-culturalism” were pitted against “hatred” and “racism,” and that in effect ended the discussion. Exposing negative statistics about immigration sparked angry accusations of bigotry. Establishment voices shied away from the topic for fear of being accused as racist. Opposition to immigration became off-limits within all establishment parties, and Swedish policy gradually moved toward open borders. The underlying unease, of course, did not vanish. In anonymous social surveys, there was never a majority in favor of increasing migration to Sweden. Faced with a pro-migration political establishment, the silent majority of voters began to feel they had no other outlet than fringe parties with racist roots. Polls show that Swedish Democrats even captured 12 percent of the foreign-born vote, perhaps explained by the fact that some of them resent the recent rise in crime and disorder in their own neighborhoods. Sweden’s governing elites made things even worse for themselves by turning a blind eye to increases in gang violence, sexual assault, and arson that occurred in neighborhoods where migrants congregated. Sanandaji says that the Swedish Democrats “benefited from the government’s decision to obfuscate or simply mislead the public about the rise in violence — despite the indisputable statistics about the phenomenon.” Much as with support for President Trump, a general belief that elites aren’t telling the truth on key issues has propped up SD’s base of support and solidified it. And just as the mainstream media have stepped out of their traditional role and declared war on the Trump administration, the Swedish media have taken the side of the elites. During the final election debate on Swedish state television (SVT) last Friday, Sweden Democrats party leader Jimmie Akesson claimed that the reason many immigrants can’t find a job is that “they are not Swedes” and they “don’t fit in, in Sweden.” After the debate, the SVT host made a sudden intervention: “We must begin by saying that Jimmie Akesson’s comments were blatantly generalizing, and SVT does not stand by them.” The argument over the poor assimilation of migrants to Sweden is worth airing, though Akesson expressed his concerns in harsh terms. But it was the place of the other parties to debate, not the state broadcaster’s. For their part, the Sweden Democrats tweeted: “SVT chose to take a stand against the Sweden Democrats. It is an act that is unprecedented in modern Swedish history.” You’d think that elites would see a pattern when looking at Trump supporters, Brexiteers, or Europeans skeptical of mass migration; you’d think that the lesson would sink in by now. But instead, in country after country roiled by populist uprisings, elites steadfastly are refusing to grapple with the legitimate sentiments of working-class voters, dissidents from politically correct identity politics, or workers unsettled by industry that has shut down. Instead, the elites are continuing to roughly follow the example of candidate Barack Obama, who in 2012 famously tried to explain the attitudes of such people at what he thought was an off-the-record fundraiser: They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. Of course, there are elements in the ranks of Brexit supporters, Trump backers, and the Swedish Democrats that are nasty and retrograde. But so long as elites continue to ignore the legitimate fears and grievances of ordinary voters, they will be both inhibiting a genuine public debate over solutions and encouraging even more of a backlash.
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Post by soonernvolved on Sept 11, 2018 4:31:54 GMT -6
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Post by soonernvolved on Sept 11, 2018 6:24:15 GMT -6
Since they tried it once, who’s to say they won’t do it again: www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/10/silent-donation-corporate-emails-reveal-google-executives-efforts-to-swing-election-to-hillary-clinton-with-latino-outreach-campaign/9297 An email chain among senior Google executives from the day after the 2016 presidential election reveals the company tried to influence the 2016 United States presidential election on behalf of one candidate, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton. In the emails, a Google executive describes efforts to pay for free rides for a certain sect of the population to the polls–a get-out-the-vote for Hispanic voters operation–and how these efforts were because she thought it would help Hillary Clinton win the general election in 2016. She also used the term “silent donation” to describe Google’s contribution to the effort to elect Clinton president. The main email, headlined, “Election results and the Latino vote,” was sent on Nov. 9, 2016—the day after Clinton’s loss to Trump in the 2016 presidential election—by Eliana Murillo, Google’s Multicultural Marketing department head. The four page email begins with Murillo claiming she and others at Google were engaged in non-partisan activities not designed to help any one candidate or another—only to undercut her own commentary in later passages in the emails by openly admitting the entire effort to boost Latino turnout using Google products with official company resources was to elect Clinton over Trump. The critical miscalculation, Murillo wrote in a stunning admission in the email, was that Latino voters backed Trump by higher margins than any experts had forecast in the lead-up to the election. Trump’s 29 percent among Hispanics nationally blew prognosticators away, and he hit even higher numbers—about 31 percent—in the key battleground state of Florida, Murillo admitted. Murillo wrote at the outset of the lengthy message: We worked very hard. Many people did. We pushed tp get out the Latino vote with our features, our partners, and our voices. We kept our Google efforts non-partisan and followed our company’s protocols for the elections strategy. We emphasized our mission to give Latinos access to information so that they can make an informed decision at the polls, and we feel very grateful for all the support to do this important work. Latinos voted in record-breaking numbers, particularly with early votes. A large percentage of Latino voters in Florida were new voters who had become citizens just in time to vote. We saw high traffic for the search queries ‘votar,’ ‘como votar,’ and ‘donde voter,’ in key states like Florida and Nevada. We will be pulling in more info in the coming hours/days but so far we definitely know there was high traffic on search in Spanish. Without translating our tools the users wouldn’t have found the information they needed. Objectively speaking, our goal was met — we pushed and successfully launched the search features in Spanish, and we thank Lisa for her support in advocating for this work. I sent Philipp a note yesterday to thank him because he and others voiced their support for this too, and we greatly appreciate it. Even Sundar gave the effort a shout out and a comment in Spanish, which was really special. “Sundar” presumably refers to Google’s chief executive officer Sundar Pichai, who took the reins of the massive search giant in October 2015. “Lisa” presumably refers to Lisa Gevelber, the vice president of Global Marketing for Google—who forwarded Murillo’s entire four-page email to several other Google executives in another chain also obtained by Breitbart News in which Gevelber praises Murillo’s activities with official company resources as having made a “great difference.” “Philipp” presumably refers to Philipp Schindler, a senior vice president and Google’s chief business officer per his LinkedIn page. The emails were first revealed on Fox News on Monday evening on Tucker Carlson Tonight by anchor Tucker Carlson in a special report. Breitbart News also obtained them, and has reached out to Google with a number of questions about the emails.
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Post by soonernvolved on Sept 11, 2018 12:43:57 GMT -6
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Post by oilsooner on Sept 11, 2018 13:16:12 GMT -6
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Post by oilsooner on Sept 11, 2018 13:17:22 GMT -6
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Post by principledcon on Sept 11, 2018 13:56:50 GMT -6
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Post by oilsooner on Sept 11, 2018 14:03:08 GMT -6
I'm with ya man. I am all for free speech, but we do have electioneering laws for a reason. These folks have more access to influence the election than any individual, and most organizations. We really need to look into this, and unfortunately, with the way politics works, its now or never. If we wait until Trump is term limited, it'll prob be another eight years before we can even see the data to determine if there was a problem. It'd be nice if journalists were impartial and did their job. Then, we wouldn't need the government to help regulate.
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Post by oilsooner on Sept 18, 2018 17:15:13 GMT -6
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Post by Pablo on Sept 19, 2018 10:39:39 GMT -6
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Post by Pablo on Sept 19, 2018 10:40:00 GMT -6
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Post by oilsooner on Sept 19, 2018 10:45:37 GMT -6
I trust the poll that was done calling people on land lines and cell phones vs polling people online, until more phone based polls of likely voters tell us otherwise. I don’t doubt there are close races out there, and that the Dems desperately want this to be one, but I don’t think so. Election Day will tell us for sure, especially for those of us with good reason to be skeptical of 538. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by soonernvolved on Sept 19, 2018 11:22:26 GMT -6
Illinois Democrat party leader encourages voter fraud in their favor:
Democrat Announcer: J. B. Pritzker, he’s going to win. He’s going to win big. But he won’t win if we don’t get out and vote. We need the early vote. Like I say, we can play East St. Louis, vote early, vote often. Whatever you can get away with. I shouldn’t say that, but I really don’t care.
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Post by trumped on Sept 19, 2018 21:39:35 GMT -6
We must get voter ID
Stonewall Jackson @1776stonewall · 7h Republicans, flip seat in Texas for a state senate seat that hasn't been won by a Republican in 139 years
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Stonewall Jackson @1776stonewall · 5h This district is 80% minority (mainly Hispanic) by the way, and they voted Republican
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Stonewall Jackson Stonewall Jackson @1776stonewall Voter registration was used here, I believe, for the first time? If that's true, then that's a HUGE example of what Voter ID would mean for the Democrat country-wide if that ever became law. This seat has not been won by a Republican in 139 years, until Voter ID was required 6:09 PM · Sep 19, 2018
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Post by soonernvolved on Sept 20, 2018 18:50:15 GMT -6
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/20/exclusive-house-to-vote-on-mccarthy-resolution-admonishing-cities-for-allowing-illegal-aliens-to-vote-in-local-elections/The U.S. House of Representatives will vote next week on a resolution offered by House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy that admonishes U.S. cities for allowing illegal aliens to vote in local elections, as has been confirmed to Breitbart News exclusively. The measure, which Democrats are expected to oppose, in two pages states that it is the position of the House of Representatives that allowing illegal aliens the right to vote disenfranchises American citizens. The House resolution text introduced by McCarthy says: Recognizing that allowing illegal immigrants the right to vote devalues the franchise and diminishes the voting power of United States citizens. Whereas voting is fundamental to a functioning democracy; Whereas the Constitution prohibits discrimination in voting based on race, sex, poll taxes, and age; Whereas it is of paramount importance that the United States maintains the legitimacy of its elections and protects them from interference, including interference from foreign threats and illegal voting; Whereas the Constitution allows States and localities to grant non-citizens the right to vote in non-Federal elections; Whereas the city of San Francisco, California, is allowing non-citizens, including illegal immigrants, to register to vote in school board elections; and Whereas Federal law prohibits non-citizens from voting in elections for Federal office: Now, therefore, be it 1 Resolved, That the House of Representatives recognizes that allowing illegal immigrants the right to vote de3 values the franchise and diminishes the voting power of 4 United States citizens. The House vote is set to come next week, ahead of the all-important midterm elections. It comes after a number of cities, particularly San Francisco but also Chicago, a number of Boston suburbs including Cambridge, and others, have opened up local voting rights to illegal aliens–effectively disenfranchising American citizens who vote in these elections by diluting their voices with voices of people who entered the country illegally. McCarthy said the efforts in these cities to give illegal aliens voting rights hurts American citizens, including most especially legal immigrants who become citizens. Naturalized American citizens often describe casting their first ballot as one of the proudest moments of their lives. The act is a reminder that they have become Americans, with all the rights and responsibilities of Americans,” McCarthy told Breitbart News. “Unfortunately, a handful of cities like Chicago, Cambridge, and most recently San Francisco allow illegal immigrants to vote in local elections. These radical policies weaken the voting power of law-abiding Americans, including naturalized citizens. Today I introduced a resolution stating that allowing illegal immigrants to vote devalues the franchise and diminishes the voting power of American citizens. I hope my colleagues will stand with me in protecting the right to vote for every American citizen of legal age, and rejecting all outside or foreign interference in our elections.” Assuming the Democrats oppose this measure en masse, as they are expected to, it will draw a clear contrast with Republicans ahead of the all-important midterm elections. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who aims to become Speaker again should the Democrats hit the magic number of 24 net gains in the House to retake the majority, of course represents San Francisco, so the message from Republicans could not be clearer: Under Pelosi’s rule, the House of Representatives would become a place that stands up for illegal aliens over American citizens and disenfranchises Americans in the process
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Post by politicalmexininja on Sept 20, 2018 19:03:09 GMT -6
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/20/exclusive-house-to-vote-on-mccarthy-resolution-admonishing-cities-for-allowing-illegal-aliens-to-vote-in-local-elections/The U.S. House of Representatives will vote next week on a resolution offered by House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy that admonishes U.S. cities for allowing illegal aliens to vote in local elections, as has been confirmed to Breitbart News exclusively. The measure, which Democrats are expected to oppose, in two pages states that it is the position of the House of Representatives that allowing illegal aliens the right to vote disenfranchises American citizens. The House resolution text introduced by McCarthy says: Recognizing that allowing illegal immigrants the right to vote devalues the franchise and diminishes the voting power of United States citizens. Whereas voting is fundamental to a functioning democracy; Whereas the Constitution prohibits discrimination in voting based on race, sex, poll taxes, and age; Whereas it is of paramount importance that the United States maintains the legitimacy of its elections and protects them from interference, including interference from foreign threats and illegal voting; Whereas the Constitution allows States and localities to grant non-citizens the right to vote in non-Federal elections; Whereas the city of San Francisco, California, is allowing non-citizens, including illegal immigrants, to register to vote in school board elections; and Whereas Federal law prohibits non-citizens from voting in elections for Federal office: Now, therefore, be it 1 Resolved, That the House of Representatives recognizes that allowing illegal immigrants the right to vote de3 values the franchise and diminishes the voting power of 4 United States citizens. The House vote is set to come next week, ahead of the all-important midterm elections. It comes after a number of cities, particularly San Francisco but also Chicago, a number of Boston suburbs including Cambridge, and others, have opened up local voting rights to illegal aliens–effectively disenfranchising American citizens who vote in these elections by diluting their voices with voices of people who entered the country illegally. McCarthy said the efforts in these cities to give illegal aliens voting rights hurts American citizens, including most especially legal immigrants who become citizens. Naturalized American citizens often describe casting their first ballot as one of the proudest moments of their lives. The act is a reminder that they have become Americans, with all the rights and responsibilities of Americans,” McCarthy told Breitbart News. “Unfortunately, a handful of cities like Chicago, Cambridge, and most recently San Francisco allow illegal immigrants to vote in local elections. These radical policies weaken the voting power of law-abiding Americans, including naturalized citizens. Today I introduced a resolution stating that allowing illegal immigrants to vote devalues the franchise and diminishes the voting power of American citizens. I hope my colleagues will stand with me in protecting the right to vote for every American citizen of legal age, and rejecting all outside or foreign interference in our elections.” Assuming the Democrats oppose this measure en masse, as they are expected to, it will draw a clear contrast with Republicans ahead of the all-important midterm elections. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who aims to become Speaker again should the Democrats hit the magic number of 24 net gains in the House to retake the majority, of course represents San Francisco, so the message from Republicans could not be clearer: Under Pelosi’s rule, the House of Representatives would become a place that stands up for illegal aliens over American citizens and disenfranchises Americans in the process Amazing how much the Dems hate America....just leave the country already...
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Post by Taco Tico on Sept 21, 2018 4:28:44 GMT -6
LOL, posturing at its finest. San Francisco is allowing non-citizens to vote in local school board elections as long as they are over the age of 18, city residents and have children under age 19. Not a big deal. Kudos on making it about illegal alien voting to scare the hell out of the simpletons.
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Post by politicalmexininja on Sept 21, 2018 4:32:35 GMT -6
"San Francisco".....nuff said...LOL
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Post by oilsooner on Sept 21, 2018 5:07:32 GMT -6
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/20/exclusive-house-to-vote-on-mccarthy-resolution-admonishing-cities-for-allowing-illegal-aliens-to-vote-in-local-elections/The U.S. House of Representatives will vote next week on a resolution offered by House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy that admonishes U.S. cities for allowing illegal aliens to vote in local elections, as has been confirmed to Breitbart News exclusively. The measure, which Democrats are expected to oppose, in two pages states that it is the position of the House of Representatives that allowing illegal aliens the right to vote disenfranchises American citizens. The House resolution text introduced by McCarthy says: Recognizing that allowing illegal immigrants the right to vote devalues the franchise and diminishes the voting power of United States citizens. Whereas voting is fundamental to a functioning democracy; Whereas the Constitution prohibits discrimination in voting based on race, sex, poll taxes, and age; Whereas it is of paramount importance that the United States maintains the legitimacy of its elections and protects them from interference, including interference from foreign threats and illegal voting; Whereas the Constitution allows States and localities to grant non-citizens the right to vote in non-Federal elections; Whereas the city of San Francisco, California, is allowing non-citizens, including illegal immigrants, to register to vote in school board elections; and Whereas Federal law prohibits non-citizens from voting in elections for Federal office: Now, therefore, be it 1 Resolved, That the House of Representatives recognizes that allowing illegal immigrants the right to vote de3 values the franchise and diminishes the voting power of 4 United States citizens. The House vote is set to come next week, ahead of the all-important midterm elections. It comes after a number of cities, particularly San Francisco but also Chicago, a number of Boston suburbs including Cambridge, and others, have opened up local voting rights to illegal aliens–effectively disenfranchising American citizens who vote in these elections by diluting their voices with voices of people who entered the country illegally. McCarthy said the efforts in these cities to give illegal aliens voting rights hurts American citizens, including most especially legal immigrants who become citizens. Naturalized American citizens often describe casting their first ballot as one of the proudest moments of their lives. The act is a reminder that they have become Americans, with all the rights and responsibilities of Americans,” McCarthy told Breitbart News. “Unfortunately, a handful of cities like Chicago, Cambridge, and most recently San Francisco allow illegal immigrants to vote in local elections. These radical policies weaken the voting power of law-abiding Americans, including naturalized citizens. Today I introduced a resolution stating that allowing illegal immigrants to vote devalues the franchise and diminishes the voting power of American citizens. I hope my colleagues will stand with me in protecting the right to vote for every American citizen of legal age, and rejecting all outside or foreign interference in our elections.” Assuming the Democrats oppose this measure en masse, as they are expected to, it will draw a clear contrast with Republicans ahead of the all-important midterm elections. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who aims to become Speaker again should the Democrats hit the magic number of 24 net gains in the House to retake the majority, of course represents San Francisco, so the message from Republicans could not be clearer: Under Pelosi’s rule, the House of Representatives would become a place that stands up for illegal aliens over American citizens and disenfranchises Americans in the process THIS should be Trumps top position, even more than the wall. How in the world are illegals EVER allowed to vote anywhere??? For anything??? That is clearly a scam that can be easily explained to anyone. Should have 90% support or more! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by oilsooner on Sept 21, 2018 5:12:00 GMT -6
LOL, posturing at its finest. San Francisco is allowing non-citizens to vote in local school board elections as long as they are over the age of 18, city residents and have children under age 19. Not a big deal. Kudos on making it about illegal alien voting to scare the hell out of the simpletons. Yeah, because nothing ever starts with one thing, then becomes something else. Usually way before anyone ever knows about it. Allowing illegals to vote should be (if it isn’t already) illegal on the federal level. It’s a primary breach of our system of democracy. Most folks are going to agree with that. Hit any city who refuses to comply with serious fines or worse, because they are endangering our democracy, and any regulation coming from them is suspect, because we don’t know who voted on it. I hope Trump brings this issue to the nations attention, so people understand the situation we are in. An excellent position for the Dems coming into an election: Russians altered the election, but we want illegals and non citizens to be able to vote directly!!! I’m sure most folks will see right through that obvious double standard. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Taco Tico on Sept 21, 2018 6:06:58 GMT -6
LOL, posturing at its finest. San Francisco is allowing non-citizens to vote in local school board elections as long as they are over the age of 18, city residents and have children under age 19. Not a big deal. Kudos on making it about illegal alien voting to scare the hell out of the simpletons. Yeah, because nothing ever starts with one thing, then becomes something else. Usually way before anyone ever knows about it. Allowing illegals to vote should be (if it isn’t already) illegal on the federal level. It’s a primary breach of our system of democracy. Most folks are going to agree with that. Hit any city who refuses to comply with serious fines or worse, because they are endangering our democracy, and any regulation coming from them is suspect, because we don’t know who voted on it. I hope Trump brings this issue to the nations attention, so people understand the situation we are in. An excellent position for the Dems coming into an election: Russians altered the election, but we want illegals and non citizens to be able to vote directly!!! Bahaha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Again, this is for school board. I know you are worried about creeping legislation, and you should be, but there are laws in place that cover alien voting and this is legal under current federal law. Almost nobody is advocating granting illegals full voting rights. They may push for amnesty and a pathway to citizenship but it would take major overhaul to grant voting rights. Again, posturing and scare tactics. Here’s the law. 611. Voting by aliens (a) It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless- (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for a candidate for such Federal offices, in such a manner that an alien has the opportunity to vote for such other purpose, but not an opportunity to vote for a candidate for any one or more of such Federal offices. (b) Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both. (c) Subsection (a) does not apply to an alien if- (1) each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization); (2) the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16; and (3) the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting in violation of such subsection that he or she was a citizen of the United States.
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Post by Taco Tico on Sept 21, 2018 6:45:19 GMT -6
Here’s a better idea. Get rid of the illegal aliens so they will not be part of the non-citizens residing in the district.
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Post by oilsooner on Sept 21, 2018 7:15:42 GMT -6
Yeah, because nothing ever starts with one thing, then becomes something else. Usually way before anyone ever knows about it. Allowing illegals to vote should be (if it isn’t already) illegal on the federal level. It’s a primary breach of our system of democracy. Most folks are going to agree with that. Hit any city who refuses to comply with serious fines or worse, because they are endangering our democracy, and any regulation coming from them is suspect, because we don’t know who voted on it. I hope Trump brings this issue to the nations attention, so people understand the situation we are in. An excellent position for the Dems coming into an election: Russians altered the election, but we want illegals and non citizens to be able to vote directly!!! Bahaha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Again, this is for school board. I know you are worried about creeping legislation, and you should be, but there are laws in place that cover alien voting and this is legal under current federal law. Almost nobody is advocating granting illegals full voting rights. They may push for amnesty and a pathway to citizenship but it would take major overhaul to grant voting rights. Again, posturing and scare tactics. Here’s the law. 611. Voting by aliens (a) It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless- (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for a candidate for such Federal offices, in such a manner that an alien has the opportunity to vote for such other purpose, but not an opportunity to vote for a candidate for any one or more of such Federal offices. (b) Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both. (c) Subsection (a) does not apply to an alien if- (1) each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization); (2) the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16; and (3) the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting in violation of such subsection that he or she was a citizen of the United States. I understand that CA passes many laws that I wouldn't vote for in OK, and that it's their prerogative because it is their state. I'm a big states rights guy. But, I am also big time against illegal immigration (I realize there are some dichotomies there). I also do not trust the democrats at all, especially the CA dems, as they are often the fore-bearers of things that move toward the Heartland. Its pretty common knowledge that things tend to start on the coasts then migrate inland. If it becomes acceptable there, it might become acceptable here, starting with school boards, and ending with who knows what. Anyway, you are correct: it is absolutely creeping legislation that I am worried about. So, how do we ensure people that wont happen? In my mind, we just ban it on the federal level because we cant ensure that creeping legislation wont happen unless we do. It is illegal for non citizens to vote currently? If not, it should be. Its my position that a non citizen should not be allowed to vote for anything at all. I don't think that's a very extreme position, but I honestly haven't looked into it at all. I also 100% believe that the real reason Dems want illegals to vote is because they think they will vote for them, and its a boost to their power. I don't believe for one second that the driving factor is empathy or anything they claim when the topic comes up.
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Post by politicalmexininja on Sept 21, 2018 7:23:00 GMT -6
Again, this is for school board. I know you are worried about creeping legislation, and you should be, but there are laws in place that cover alien voting and this is legal under current federal law. Almost nobody is advocating granting illegals full voting rights. They may push for amnesty and a pathway to citizenship but it would take major overhaul to grant voting rights. Again, posturing and scare tactics. Here’s the law. 611. Voting by aliens (a) It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless- (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for a candidate for such Federal offices, in such a manner that an alien has the opportunity to vote for such other purpose, but not an opportunity to vote for a candidate for any one or more of such Federal offices. (b) Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both. (c) Subsection (a) does not apply to an alien if- (1) each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization); (2) the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16; and (3) the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting in violation of such subsection that he or she was a citizen of the United States. I understand that CA passes many laws that I wouldn't vote for in OK, and that it's their prerogative because it is their state. I'm a big states rights guy. But, I am also big time against illegal immigration (I realize there are some dichotomies there). I also do not trust the democrats at all, especially the CA dems, as they are often the fore-bearers of things that move toward the Heartland. Its pretty common knowledge that things tend to start on the coasts then migrate inland. If it becomes acceptable there, it might become acceptable here, starting with school boards, and ending with who knows what. Anyway, you are correct: it is absolutely creeping legislation that I am worried about. So, how do we ensure people that wont happen? In my mind, we just ban it on the federal level because we cant ensure that creeping legislation wont happen unless we do. It is illegal for non citizens to vote currently? If not, it should be. Its my position that a non citizen should not be allowed to vote for anything at all. I don't think that's a very extreme position, but I honestly haven't looked into it at all. I also 100% believe that the real reason Dems want illegals to vote is because they think they will vote for them, and its a boost to their power. I don't believe for one second that the driving factor is empathy or anything they claim when the topic comes up. It's so simple it's unbelievable Dems use it as a talking point...THEY ARE LAWBREAKERS!!!!! HOW CAN SOMEONE BE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON ANYTHING WHEN THEY ARE CRIMINALS AND ILLEGALS? That's like letting defendants decide their own guilt or innocence...lib logic, man...Power/Party before Country..that is their mantra...
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Post by sooner98 on Sept 21, 2018 7:25:30 GMT -6
We must get voter ID Stonewall Jackson @1776stonewall · 7h Republicans, flip seat in Texas for a state senate seat that hasn't been won by a Republican in 139 years ——— Stonewall Jackson @1776stonewall · 5h This district is 80% minority (mainly Hispanic) by the way, and they voted Republican ——— Stonewall Jackson Stonewall Jackson @1776stonewall Voter registration was used here, I believe, for the first time? If that's true, then that's a HUGE example of what Voter ID would mean for the Democrat country-wide if that ever became law. This seat has not been won by a Republican in 139 years, until Voter ID was required 6:09 PM · Sep 19, 2018 Why do you think Democrats are so dead-set against voter ID laws? Losing votes that were fraudulently cast would be the death of their party.
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