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Post by soonernvolved on Jul 31, 2018 20:16:30 GMT -6
Video at link: dailycaller.com/2018/07/31/dershowitz-mueller-manafort/Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz attacked special counsel Robert Mueller for the way in which he is prosecuting former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort while on Tucker Carlson Tonight on Tuesday night. “It’s very simple. His crime is being associated with Donald Trump. Don’t listen to me on this, listen to Judge Ellis. The judge who is presiding over the case. The judge ruled and said, they are not interested in Manafort. Mueller is not interested in Manafort. They are just trying to get him convicted so they can squeeze him,” Dershowitz stated. “If you squeeze a witness not only does the witness sing, but sometimes according to the judge, the witness composes.” “If he hadn’t been associated with the Trump campaign he’d be out in New York or wherever doing his business,” he continued. Carlson then asked how what Mueller was doing was different that what the mafia does. Dershowitz responded, “Unfortunately it is the way that justice has been practiced against the mafia and against terrorists and we civil libertarians have long been opposed to this way of dealing with problems.”
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Post by sooner98 on Jul 31, 2018 22:33:11 GMT -6
Pardon them all. At this point, I don't even care what Manafort may or may not have done with his business in the past, since laws don't seem to matter in this country anymore. Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Papadopolous, everyone who has been unfairly captured in Mueller's abattoir of injustice, pardon all of them. Then tell Mueller to shove his illegal, sham investigation straight up his ass, and live with the political consequences of it, since the Democrats are going to try to impeach Trump anyway.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 1, 2018 8:06:38 GMT -6
Trump getting scared (prolly not about collusion)....and lying, "This investigation is hurting the country". All about the country. Yeah, right.
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Post by NN on Aug 1, 2018 8:19:14 GMT -6
Trump getting scared (prolly not about collusion)....and lying, "This investigation is hurting the country". All about the country. Yeah, right. I'm sure the beleaguered Mr.Magoo will fire Rod and Mueller immediately. You gotta know Sessions is enjoying watching Trump squirm.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 1, 2018 8:39:16 GMT -6
Per attorney Robert Barnes: twitter.com/Barnes_LawWhat to watch for: whether this is to make it appear an inquiry is taking place to satiate jury when secret deal immunized testimony. Prosecutors often make it look like they are prosecuting someone to boost their testimony, but no one would testify unless secret deal made,” ..... REX❌ @_ImperatorRex_ It's either a PR exercise by Mueller to show himself as impartial, OR the referrals to the SDNY (Trump appointee since Jan) are genuine, inc all evidence gathered against Podesta, Weber and Craig. Also, the timing of this with the Manafort trial starting, isn't accidental.👇 The Hill ✔ @thehill Mueller asks prosecutors to investigate multiple US lobbyists suspected of acting as foreign agents hill.cm/O..... TheLastRefuge @thelastrefuge2 Think. There's always an angle. Team Mueller didn't need Podesta to prosecute Manafort...... But Team Mueller did need the prosecution of Manafort as an excuse to hand out immunity to Podesta.#Slickdeals 11:01 PM - Jul 19, 2018 2,322 2,100 people are talking about this
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 1, 2018 8:42:20 GMT -6
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realdonaldtrump “FBI Agent Peter Strzok (on the Mueller team) should have recused himself on day one. He was out to STOP THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP. He needed an insurance policy. Those are illegal, improper goals, trying to influence the Election. He should never, ever been allowed to........ 9:03 AM - Aug 1, 2018
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 1, 2018 8:46:13 GMT -6
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realdonaldtrump “FBI Agent Peter Strzok (on the Mueller team) should have recused himself on day one. He was out to STOP THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP. He needed an insurance policy. Those are illegal, improper goals, trying to influence the Election. He should never, ever been allowed to........ 9:03 AM - Aug 1, 2018 31K 15.5K people are talking about this Donald J. Trump ✔ @realdonaldtrump “FBI Agent Peter Strzok (on the Mueller team) should have recused himself on day one. He was out to STOP THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP. He needed an insurance policy. Those are illegal, improper goals, trying to influence the Election. He should never, ever been allowed to........ 9:03 AM - Aug 1, 2018 31K 15.5K people are talking about this Tweets of a desperate man/child.
The chickens always come home to roost.
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Post by zcaa0g on Aug 1, 2018 9:26:31 GMT -6
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realdonaldtrump “FBI Agent Peter Strzok (on the Mueller team) should have recused himself on day one. He was out to STOP THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP. He needed an insurance policy. Those are illegal, improper goals, trying to influence the Election. He should never, ever been allowed to........ 9:03 AM - Aug 1, 2018 31K 15.5K people are talking about this Donald J. Trump ✔ @realdonaldtrump “FBI Agent Peter Strzok (on the Mueller team) should have recused himself on day one. He was out to STOP THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP. He needed an insurance policy. Those are illegal, improper goals, trying to influence the Election. He should never, ever been allowed to........ 9:03 AM - Aug 1, 2018 31K 15.5K people are talking about this Tweets of a desperate man/child.
The chickens always come home to roost.
The problem is, there is no chickens to roost here for this particular scenario. Regardless, this has all been debunked, it's a big nothing burger and...it's all part of the vast left wing conspiracy. Anyway, that's all you have to say to get away with betraying your country and murder. Literally. Just ask Killary.
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Post by politicalmexininja on Aug 1, 2018 9:27:31 GMT -6
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realdonaldtrump “FBI Agent Peter Strzok (on the Mueller team) should have recused himself on day one. He was out to STOP THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP. He needed an insurance policy. Those are illegal, improper goals, trying to influence the Election. He should never, ever been allowed to........ 9:03 AM - Aug 1, 2018 31K 15.5K people are talking about this Donald J. Trump ✔ @realdonaldtrump “FBI Agent Peter Strzok (on the Mueller team) should have recused himself on day one. He was out to STOP THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP. He needed an insurance policy. Those are illegal, improper goals, trying to influence the Election. He should never, ever been allowed to........ 9:03 AM - Aug 1, 2018 31K 15.5K people are talking about this Tweets of a desperate man/child.
The chickens always come home to roost.
Wanna make a wager?
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 1, 2018 9:53:53 GMT -6
Tweets of a desperate man/child.
The chickens always come home to roost.
Wanna make a wager? Now why would I do that when the person being investigated doesn't possess an ounce of moral fiber and is trying to quash the very investigation he's/his administration is the center of? Yeah, that would be really smart on my part.
And even if they find something it doesn't mean anything will happen. Nothing happened to Hillary. Nothing happened to "W". Nothing happened to Reagan. I see a pattern here.
He's scared. There's a reason the little man tweets and lies so much. Chickens....roost.
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Post by politicalmexininja on Aug 1, 2018 12:00:33 GMT -6
Now why would I do that when the person being investigated doesn't possess an ounce of moral fiber and is trying to quash the very investigation he's/his administration is the center of? Yeah, that would be really smart on my part.
And even if they find something it doesn't mean anything will happen. Nothing happened to Hillary. Nothing happened to "W". Nothing happened to Reagan. I see a pattern here.
He's scared. There's a reason the little man tweets and lies so much. Chickens....roost.
So you're a lying chicken? Got it. When you grow a pair and if you still believe Trump did something 'wrong', let's wager. And the excuse 'nothing will happen' is lame. We can make it simple...if ANY charges are brought against Trump, you win. Whether or not ANYTHING happens...
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 1, 2018 12:12:34 GMT -6
Now why would I do that when the person being investigated doesn't possess an ounce of moral fiber and is trying to quash the very investigation he's/his administration is the center of? Yeah, that would be really smart on my part.
And even if they find something it doesn't mean anything will happen. Nothing happened to Hillary. Nothing happened to "W". Nothing happened to Reagan. I see a pattern here.
He's scared. There's a reason the little man tweets and lies so much. Chickens....roost.
So you're a lying chicken? Got it. When you grow a pair and if you still believe Trump did something 'wrong', let's wager. And the excuse 'nothing will happen' is lame. We can make it simple...if ANY charges are brought against Trump, you win. Whether or not ANYTHING happens... Haha. You remind of when I was about 8 years old arguing with a friend about something, 'Wanna bet??? Oh yeah, wanna bet". And if that didn't work just call the other guy a "chicken". I see now why you're such a Trump fan.
Again, why would I make a bet on whether or not even charges are filed when a pathological liar has the power to end an investigation into himself and has said it's his desire to do as much? That would be really smart.
How bout I just call Putin and ask him if Trump is guilty? That would have about as much validity as placing a wager on this. But I'm sure Putin would strongly and powerfully tell me the truth.
And please stop calling me names...you're hurting my feelings and making our lord and savior unhappy I'm sure.
He's scared. Expect the tweet machine and lying to ramp up (probably more NFL stuff too). Chickens....roost.
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Post by politicalmexininja on Aug 1, 2018 13:11:38 GMT -6
So you're a lying chicken? Got it. When you grow a pair and if you still believe Trump did something 'wrong', let's wager. And the excuse 'nothing will happen' is lame. We can make it simple...if ANY charges are brought against Trump, you win. Whether or not ANYTHING happens... Haha. You remind of when I was about 8 years old arguing with a friend about something, 'Wanna bet??? Oh yeah, wanna bet". And if that didn't work just call the other guy a "chicken". I see now why you're such a Trump fan.
Again, why would I make a bet on whether or not even charges are filed when a pathological liar has the power to end an investigation into himself and has said it's his desire to do as much? That would be really smart.
How bout I just call Putin and ask him if Trump is guilty? That would have about as much validity as placing a wager on this. But I'm sure Putin would strongly and powerfully tell me the truth.
And please stop calling me names...you're hurting my feelings and making our lord and savior unhappy I'm sure.
He's scared. Expect the tweet machine and lying to ramp up (probably more NFL stuff too). Chickens....roost.
So you're chicken. Got it....BTW, Jesus even loves you and Ebony Frank....
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 1, 2018 13:26:12 GMT -6
Haha. You remind of when I was about 8 years old arguing with a friend about something, 'Wanna bet??? Oh yeah, wanna bet". And if that didn't work just call the other guy a "chicken". I see now why you're such a Trump fan.
Again, why would I make a bet on whether or not even charges are filed when a pathological liar has the power to end an investigation into himself and has said it's his desire to do as much? That would be really smart.
How bout I just call Putin and ask him if Trump is guilty? That would have about as much validity as placing a wager on this. But I'm sure Putin would strongly and powerfully tell me the truth.
And please stop calling me names...you're hurting my feelings and making our lord and savior unhappy I'm sure.
He's scared. Expect the tweet machine and lying to ramp up (probably more NFL stuff too). Chickens....roost.
So you're chicken. Got it....BTW, Jesus even loves you and Ebony Frank.... It's entertaining to watch some of you conservatives who pride yourselves on not being emotional, level headed, rational thinkers, etc. etc. act like children as you call names. Always attacking the person and not the substance. Par for the course.
And maybe I am chicken....but a smart one at that. Not taking a bet where the principal subject in an investigation is an unabashed liar and has the power to end said investigation of himself and has said he wants to do so. That would just be unwise on my part.
But please, feel free to continue with your feeble attempts to goad me through childish name calling into an uneven bet. If that doesn't work, maybe you can challenge me to fight in the school yard at 3:15?
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Post by 1tc on Aug 1, 2018 13:40:14 GMT -6
Maybe they can find a Trump associate who jaywalked at some point!
Anyone think they will ever get to the Russian portion of the investigation? Is it collusion or meddling we are investigating at this point?
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Post by zcaa0g on Aug 1, 2018 13:59:34 GMT -6
So you're chicken. Got it....BTW, Jesus even loves you and Ebony Frank.... It's entertaining to watch some of you conservatives who pride yourselves on not being emotional, level headed, rational thinkers, etc. etc. act like children as you call names. Always attacking the person and not the substance. Par for the course.
And maybe I am chicken....but a smart one at that. Not taking a bet where the principal subject in an investigation is an unabashed liar and has the power to end said investigation of himself and has said he wants to do so. That would just be unwise on my part.
But please, feel free to continue with your feeble attempts to goad me through childish name calling into an uneven bet. If that doesn't work, maybe you can challenge me to fight in the school yard at 3:15?
I pride myself on being emotional and I am a non-violet right wing extremist. When you say "some of you conservatives", does that mean you are a liberal or "other"? :-)
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 1, 2018 14:04:56 GMT -6
It's entertaining to watch some of you conservatives who pride yourselves on not being emotional, level headed, rational thinkers, etc. etc. act like children as you call names. Always attacking the person and not the substance. Par for the course.
And maybe I am chicken....but a smart one at that. Not taking a bet where the principal subject in an investigation is an unabashed liar and has the power to end said investigation of himself and has said he wants to do so. That would just be unwise on my part.
But please, feel free to continue with your feeble attempts to goad me through childish name calling into an uneven bet. If that doesn't work, maybe you can challenge me to fight in the school yard at 3:15?
I pride myself on being emotional and I am a non-violet right wing extremist. When you say "some of you conservatives", does that mean you are a liberal or "other"? :-) I'd say other. There are conservatives ideals I agree with and there are some liberal ideals I agree with. And then there are just some things where I don't think there is really any particular belief system that would solve some problems or are more right than the other.
But as to your point about being emotional, I don't have a problem with emotion, personally. But I also don't claim that one side (ALL people from said side) is inherently flawed because they don't think rationally, are emotional, don't believe in facts, etc. etc.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 1, 2018 14:08:05 GMT -6
Looks like Mueller’s team is irritating the Judge by trying to go the class warfare route with Manafort: www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/08/01/paul-manafort-trial-day-two/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cb4197509678Judge T.S. Ellis III continued to show impatience with questions from prosecutors that he believed were intended merely to display Manafort’s lavish lifestyle. For instance, he allowed Katzman to describe Manafort’s annual spending but not to add up the total for jurors. “Let’s move on. Enough is enough,” Ellis said sternly. “They can add.” Katzman testified that Manafort’s payments came from accounts under the name Yiakora Ventures Limited and Global Highway Limited, both Cyrpus-based accounts prosecutors will argue were controlled by Manafort. ....... Judge Ellis also denied Mueller’s prosecutor Asonye’s request to show the jury photos of Manafort’s expensive suits. That’s totally irrelevant, Judge Ellis said, once again scolding Mueller’s team. ...... In another huge blow to Mueller’s team, Judge Ellis ruled that prosecutors cannot enter an invoice for proposed home renovations, WaPo reported. “All this document shows is that Mr. Manafort had a lavish lifestyle, he had a nice home with a pool and a gazebo — it’s not relevant,” Judge Ellis said.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 1, 2018 14:10:58 GMT -6
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/1/prosecutor-rick-gates-may-not-testify-manafort-tri/In a shocking admission Wednesday morning, federal prosecutors said Rick Gates may not testify in the trial of his former business partner Paul Manafort. Mr. Gates, who oversaw some of the financial dealings of Mr. Manafort’s consulting business, was expected to be a key witness for the government. But prosecutor Uso Asonye said jurors may not hear from Mr. Gates after all.
“He may testify, he may not,” Mr. Asonye told Judge T.S. Ellis III.
The revelation sent journalists and others out of the courtroom to report the disclosure.
“That’s news to me and about 25 others who scurried out of here like rats on a sinking ship,” Judge Ellis shot back.
Mr. Asonye attempted to backtrack, telling Judge Ellis that the evidence presented will determine if Mr. Gates‘ testifies.
That drew a sharp rebuke from Judge Ellis.
“You know who you are going to call,” He said. “If you are [not] going to call him then this is a waste of time.”[/i]
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 1, 2018 14:14:22 GMT -6
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 1, 2018 14:26:54 GMT -6
www.breitbart.com/video/2018/08/01/turley-the-ball-hasnt-moved-materially-closer-to-trump-on-obstruction-and-collusion-other-issues-are-threats/531 On Wednesday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley stated, “In terms of obstruction and collusion, I don’t think the ball has moved materially closer to Trump.” He added that the Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels controversies and the potential risk to Donald Trump Jr. are “the existential threats.” Turley said, “ victory in the Manafort trial is not necessarily a big victory for the investigation per se. It is not connected to the campaign. It’s a conventional prosecution. It doesn’t mean that he’s innocent, doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been prosecuted, but it doesn’t say that much about the investigation. In terms of obstruction and collusion, I don’t think the ball has moved materially closer to Trump. I think the greatest dangers remain, as I’ve said before, on the margins, on the borders, coming from McDougal and Daniels controversies, coming from the risk that Donald Trump Jr. could be in, if anyone supports any of these accounts. Those have always, in my view, been the existential threats. And so, I think what I’m looking at primarily, is not a direct hit on obstruction or collusion, but whether some of these collateral issues are going to move closer.”
He added, “[W]hat they really need to show for collusion, and maybe Mueller has something like this, would be a quid pro quo, any type of wink wink, nod nod agreement with the Russians that, for example, there might be some change on sanctions if they help on the elections. That’s the type of evidence that would materially change the situation.”
Turley concluded, “I think there’s two dangers. One is that these collateral investigations could come very close to the White House. I think they’ve moved closer. But the other great danger is Trump’s response to something like an investigation or indictment of his son. That creates a great unpredictability for the Trump team as to how he might respond. He could very well respond as a parent instead of a president. He could issue a bunch of firings and pardons. So, this thing could really change and turn on a dime. And I think everyone is watching that closely. But I think that where I would be looking, as a criminal defense attorney, is on the edges.”
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Post by politicalmexininja on Aug 1, 2018 14:55:59 GMT -6
Guarantee if they charge members of Trump's family with crap from YEARS ago Trump will go nuclear on the DOJ...I'd love to see him fire Sessions and install someone with the balls and character needed to investigate the actual people doing the 'collusion'....I dream of a day where Comey, Strzok, McCabe, and both Clintons are in cuffs....
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Post by zcaa0g on Aug 1, 2018 15:39:04 GMT -6
I pride myself on being emotional and I am a non-violet right wing extremist. When you say "some of you conservatives", does that mean you are a liberal or "other"? :-) I'd say other. There are conservatives ideals I agree with and there are some liberal ideals I agree with. And then there are just some things where I don't think there is really any particular belief system that would solve some problems or are more right than the other.
But as to your point about being emotional, I don't have a problem with emotion, personally. But I also don't claim that one side (ALL people from said side) is inherently flawed because they don't think rationally, are emotional, don't believe in facts, etc. etc.
Fair enough. Out of curiosity, what are your liberal ideals?
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 1, 2018 16:07:59 GMT -6
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 1, 2018 19:04:57 GMT -6
abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-mueller-president-obstruction-justice-sources/story?id=56973384Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office wants to ask President Donald Trump about obstruction of justice, sources close to the White House tell ABC News. According to sources, the president learned within the last day that the special counsel will limit the scope of questioning and would like to ask questions both orally and written for the President to respond to. According to sources familiar with the President’s reaction Wednesday morning, that was the genesis for his early morning tweet storm. Trump took to twitter in one of his strongest attacks against the federal probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, saying: “This is a terrible situation and Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now, before it continues to stain our country any further. Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!” ...... Translation:
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Post by NN on Aug 1, 2018 21:25:06 GMT -6
abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-mueller-president-obstruction-justice-sources/story?id=56973384Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office wants to ask President Donald Trump about obstruction of justice, sources close to the White House tell ABC News. According to sources, the president learned within the last day that the special counsel will limit the scope of questioning and would like to ask questions both orally and written for the President to respond to. According to sources familiar with the President’s reaction Wednesday morning, that was the genesis for his early morning tweet storm. Trump took to twitter in one of his strongest attacks against the federal probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, saying: “This is a terrible situation and Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now, before it continues to stain our country any further. Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!” ...... Translation:
I hate Hillary about as much as the next person, but c'mon man, she did 11 hours with Gowdy and company, surely Trump can sit down for a chat with Mueller?
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Post by kcrufnek on Aug 1, 2018 21:31:27 GMT -6
I hate Hillary about as much as the next person, but c'mon man, she did 11 hours with Gowdy and company, surely Trump can sit down for a chat with Mueller?
Not even the same thing.
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Post by jimmy on Aug 1, 2018 21:42:02 GMT -6
What difference does it make?
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Post by nmgaucho on Aug 1, 2018 21:47:09 GMT -6
I wonder how many "Qanon" morons head's exploded watching shep actually tell the truth on Faux news?
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Post by NN on Aug 2, 2018 0:02:23 GMT -6
I hate Hillary about as much as the next person, but c'mon man, she did 11 hours with Gowdy and company, surely Trump can sit down for a chat with Mueller?
Not even the same thing. That was really compelling, thanks for sharing.
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