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Post by soonerbounce13 on Aug 27, 2018 13:12:04 GMT -6
first, from what I can tell, Palin never killed anyone. I'm sure Ted Kennedy was a good man. I don't remember the hit pieces coming out right when he died but I didn't pay attention to politics back then. Secondly, how did Mccain sell his soul? He made a move to try and win the election that he was clearly losing. Palin wasn't prepared, but she is far smarter than what people want to give her credit for. I don't fault mccain for going for the homerun hire as a last ditch effort. And I don't think that constitutes as selling his soul. And actually, what led to trump is the attitude of liberals...which is very apparant in your post. How did Mccain sell his soul? He made a move to try and win the election that he was clearly losing. Palin wasn't prepared Answers your question for you. Anyone who knows what was going on in'08 knows that he had to pick a loudmouth conservative to solidify the base. Palin wasn't prepared and she is not smart at all, don't confuse the willingness to do anything with being smart - it is just a lack of character. Smarter than people give her credit for? She is a dumbass, so stupid what papers do you read was turned into a got ya question to cover her ignorant, hillbilly, white trash, crooked, lazy, fame seeking ass. A home run hire? Don't make me fall off my chair laughing. It was not a last ditch effort, the campaign was just starting. EVERYONE knows it was a total, complete and utter disaster with her knocked up, unwed, 17 year old skank daughter in tow. It defiantly constitutes as selling his soul. Do we want to talk about how he was treated in SC primary by bush and whatever the fuck his name is? Mccain, took that dirty filthy lying crap from them and to keep his place in line for the next election - sucked up to them for eight long years. Wow...you got anger issues man. Take a zanax
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 13:16:35 GMT -6
trump only lowered flags for a few hours, had a picture of himself when he tweeted about mccains death, refused to talk about him when asked by reporters and now will not go to the funeral. What a piece of shit. You think teddy kennedy was a sorry human being? trump is ten times worse. Far be it from me to defend Trump, but I will when the info is inaccurate: Trump was specifically denied by McCain. McCain, for every good reason, doesn't want him there.
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Post by soonerbounce13 on Aug 27, 2018 13:19:39 GMT -6
trump only lowered flags for a few hours, had a picture of himself when he tweeted about mccains death, refused to talk about him when asked by reporters and now will not go to the funeral. What a piece of shit. You think teddy kennedy was a sorry human being? trump is ten times worse. So McCain didn't want Trump at his funeral. And you a bitching about trump not going. And you would also be bitching if trump went in spite of McCains wishes.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 13:26:03 GMT -6
One of the ironies of this is that Trump is using the flag today to protest a Vietnam Veteran because he said some mean things about his policies/actions while he chides the SOB's of the NFL for.
Dude has absolutely no sense of honor whatsoever.
Just for comparison:
Billy Graham: proclamation on 2/21 that lasted til burial on 3/2
Las Vegas shooting: 10/2 through 10/6
Texas and Florida school shootings: 2/15 through 2/19
Capital Gazzette shooting: 7/3 through 7/3
Hmmmmm....I see a pattern here.
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Post by soonerbounce13 on Aug 27, 2018 13:35:26 GMT -6
One of the ironies of this is that Trump is using the flag today to protest a Vietnam Veteran because he said some mean things about his policies/actions while he chides the SOB's of the NFL for. Dude has absolutely no sense of honor whatsoever. This is just more fake news. The us flag code calls for the flag to be lowered on the day of death and the day after. Trump was following the code of the flag. I'm not saying that he isn't be petty about it but he is following code.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 13:41:05 GMT -6
One of the ironies of this is that Trump is using the flag today to protest a Vietnam Veteran because he said some mean things about his policies/actions while he chides the SOB's of the NFL for. Dude has absolutely no sense of honor whatsoever. This is just more fake news. The us flag code calls for the flag to be lowered on the day of death and the day after. Trump was following the code of the flag. I'm not saying that he isn't be petty about it but he is following code. How is it fake news? If he's being petty, and he is (evidenced by the fact that he has kept it lowered longer for things that suit his agenda), then he's using the flag to protest, is he not?
And so now, all of a sudden, "code" is important to him? He's kept the flags lowered for much lesser things when it was in his political interests to do so.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 27, 2018 13:45:23 GMT -6
Some claim veiled shot at Trump with this section: www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mccain-s-farewell-message-n904171“We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all corners of the globe,” McCain said in a farewell statement he penned taking a shot at Trump. “We weaken it when we hide behind walls, rather than tear them down, when we doubt the power of our ideas rather than trust them to be the great force for change they have always been,” Davis continued as he held back tears. “We are 325 million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We are argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement.
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Post by oilsooner on Aug 27, 2018 13:45:53 GMT -6
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 27, 2018 13:47:45 GMT -6
This is just more fake news. The us flag code calls for the flag to be lowered on the day of death and the day after. Trump was following the code of the flag. I'm not saying that he isn't be petty about it but he is following code. How is it fake news? If he's being petty, and he is (evidenced by the fact that he has kept it lowered longer for things that suit his agenda), then he's using the flag to protest, is he not?
And so now, all of a sudden, "code" is important to him? He's kept the flags lowered for much lesser things when it was in his political interests to do so.
And Mccain was just as “petty” with his actions against Trump both before & after the election & then with him saying he didn’t want him at his funeral,(instead of being the bigger man and forgive & forget).
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 14:00:05 GMT -6
How is it fake news? If he's being petty, and he is (evidenced by the fact that he has kept it lowered longer for things that suit his agenda), then he's using the flag to protest, is he not?
And so now, all of a sudden, "code" is important to him? He's kept the flags lowered for much lesser things when it was in his political interests to do so.
And Mccain was just as “petty” with his actions against Trump both before & after the election & then with him saying he didn’t want him at his funeral,(instead of being the bigger man and forgive & forget). Yeah, sure he was.
If you served in a war and was held captive as a POW for five years and some dude mocked your service and called you "weak", while he had multiple deferments for bone spurs on a foot he can't remember, for the same war you served in, would you want that individual at your funeral?
And that's just a rhetorical question. I don't expect you to answer as the last time I asked you a question about Hillary and taxes you conveniently avoided it.
And I'd bet almost anything, had Trump had enough honor to apologize to McCain for his statements (instead of a half-apology stating, "if there was a misunderstanding", which places the possibility of blame on the victim of his statements) McCain would have gladly accepted.
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Post by Boots on Aug 27, 2018 14:01:33 GMT -6
I laughed when I saw the tweet about the media not caring about flag symbolism for two years and now thats all they are talking about.
Same could be said for a few of you
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 14:06:36 GMT -6
I laughed when I saw the tweet about the media not caring about flag symbolism for two years and now thats all they are talking about. Same could be said for a few of you Yeah, I was kind of that way too. I laughed when I saw Trump talk about SOB NFL players disrespecting veterans, indirectly, because they knelt peacefully during the anthem while he attacked a veteran's service, directly and specifically and then his minions acted like it was no big deal or hypocritical in any way. Sad.
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Post by Boots on Aug 27, 2018 14:21:18 GMT -6
I laughed when I saw the tweet about the media not caring about flag symbolism for two years and now thats all they are talking about. Same could be said for a few of you Yeah, I was kind of that way too. I laughed when I saw Trump talk about SOB NFL players disrespecting veterans, indirectly, because they knelt peacefully during the anthem while he attacked a veteran's service, directly and specifically and then his minions acted like it was no big deal or hypocritical in any way. Sad. Veterans versus a veteran. Nice try. Sorry if I tweak a nerve by pointing out your convenient hypocrisy.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 14:27:21 GMT -6
Yeah, I was kind of that way too. I laughed when I saw Trump talk about SOB NFL players disrespecting veterans, indirectly, because they knelt peacefully during the anthem while he attacked a veteran's service, directly and specifically and then his minions acted like it was no big deal or hypocritical in any way. Sad. Veterans versus a veteran. Nice try. Sorry if I tweak a nerve by pointing out your convenient hypocrisy. Haha. Okay.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 14:28:00 GMT -6
Flag lowered back....I guess smarter and more mature heads prevailed. Must have convinced Trump that it didn't look good for him politically as opposed to just being an honorable human being.
Can't imagine Sarah Sanders lying her way out of that one as to the reason it was it was raised in the first place.
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Post by kcrufnek on Aug 27, 2018 14:34:46 GMT -6
trump only lowered flags for a few hours, had a picture of himself when he tweeted about mccains death, refused to talk about him when asked by reporters and now will not go to the funeral. What a piece of shit. You think teddy kennedy was a sorry human being? trump is ten times worse. McCain specifically requested that Trump not go. Members of congress - flags for 2 days. Eight Times When Obama Honored People With Photos of Himself
freebeacon.com/culture/times-obama-honored-people-photos-himself/
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 27, 2018 14:35:33 GMT -6
And Mccain was just as “petty” with his actions against Trump both before & after the election & then with him saying he didn’t want him at his funeral,(instead of being the bigger man and forgive & forget). Yeah, sure he was.
If you served in a war and was held captive as a POW for five years and some dude mocked your service and called you "weak", while he had multiple deferments for bone spurs on a foot he can't remember, for the same war you served in, would you want that individual at your funeral?
And that's just a rhetorical question. I don't expect you to answer as the last time I asked you a question about Hillary and taxes you conveniently avoided it.
And I'd bet almost anything, had Trump had enough honor to apologize to McCain for his statements (instead of a half-apology stating, "if there was a misunderstanding", which places the possibility of blame on the victim of his statements) McCain would have gladly accepted.
Actually, I answered, but as always, it wasn’t the answer you wanted so you moved the goalposts and asked a similar one,(while purposely avoiding other points discussed). As for someone mocking him, see posts of what the media called him when he ran for President, as well as other political opponents. And the opposite of your bet is as true, if McCain was a better man, he would have overlooked the comments,(as they are only words and their weight is only whatever one allows them to be), yet he showed he was just as petty as Trump and doubled down on his opposition to the President,(opposing obamacare repeal after running on a Senate campaign to repeal & replace: www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/27/john-mccain-ran-repealing-obamacare-he-broke-his-promise-robert-robb-column/708114001/along with other broken promises). But we know, it’s Trump related and instantly it’s hate on Trump.
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Post by kcrufnek on Aug 27, 2018 14:38:02 GMT -6
When he's anti Trump and anti GOP they love him. Not so much in 2008. Had he flown across the country to vote against Obamacare I doubt if the love would have been flowing so freely. I'm sure you'd have heard he wasn't fit to serve. CNN has been guzzling his ass juices since he died.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 27, 2018 14:39:03 GMT -6
Flag lowered back....I guess smarter and more mature heads prevailed. Must have convinced Trump that it didn't look good for him politically as opposed to just being an honorable human being. Can't imagine Sarah Sanders lying her way out of that one as to the reason it was it was raised in the first place. Funny since proper protocol was followed. dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/white-house-flag-mccain/Official U.S. code dictates that after the death of a member of Congress, the flag must be flown at half-staff on the day of death and the day after. This procedure was followed by the White House staff, who lowered their flag on Saturday after the news of McCain’s death and kept it lowered all day Sunday. The discrepancy between the White House flag and the flag atop the Capitol is likely explained by a 2012 report from the Congressional Research Service, which states that, in practice, the flag atop the legislative chamber is kept lowered to half-staff until the day the deceased member is buried. fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34347.pdf........
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 14:50:32 GMT -6
Yeah, sure he was.
If you served in a war and was held captive as a POW for five years and some dude mocked your service and called you "weak", while he had multiple deferments for bone spurs on a foot he can't remember, for the same war you served in, would you want that individual at your funeral?
And that's just a rhetorical question. I don't expect you to answer as the last time I asked you a question about Hillary and taxes you conveniently avoided it.
And I'd bet almost anything, had Trump had enough honor to apologize to McCain for his statements (instead of a half-apology stating, "if there was a misunderstanding", which places the possibility of blame on the victim of his statements) McCain would have gladly accepted.
Actually, I answered, but as always, it wasn’t the answer you wanted so you moved the goalposts and asked a similar one,(while purposely avoiding other points discussed). As for someone mocking him, see posts of what the media called him when he ran for President, as well as other political opponents. And the opposite of your bet is as true, if McCain was a better man, he would have overlooked the comments,(as they are only words and their weight is only whatever one allows them to be), yet he showed he was just as petty as Trump and doubled down on his opposition to the President,(opposing obamacare repeal after running on a Senate campaign to repeal & replace: www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/27/john-mccain-ran-repealing-obamacare-he-broke-his-promise-robert-robb-column/708114001/along with other broken promises). But we know, it’s Trump related and instantly it’s hate on Trump. No, you didn't answer. You dodged it. I asked you a specific yes or no question and you didn't answer it. I'll give you another chance. If Hillary, during the campaign, was asked if she'd release her taxes by a debate moderator and she stated, "well I would but I can't because I'm being audited, but I will after the campaign if I win". And then she won and didn't do it, would you think she had something to hide? Yes or no?
Talk about moving the goal posts. Are we talking about Trump mocking him or the media? You guys are so freaking obsessed with the media. Now it's not only, "but....but...Obama/Hillary...it's...but...but the media mocked him too". Did the media call him weak at a rally and question his military service?
He didn't vote for the repeal because he thought it was wrong to push it through without the proper hearings.
And I'll go ahead, just for the record and ask you even though you'll probably dodge it and give some long answer that's not relevant:
If you served in a war and were held captive for 5 years, refused to use your dad's position in the military as a way to get out, even when it was offered to you, and some guy running for office attacked you personally, mocking your military service while he used multiple deferments to avoid the very war you served in, and then was given multiple opportunities to apologize and refused, would you want that person at your funeral? Yes or no?
So just go ahead and answer the 3 bolded questions. Would love to hear what you would do in those situations. Not what the media did. Not want McCain should have done. Not what Obama and Hillary did. What would you do/think given the same circumstances.
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Post by jimmy on Aug 27, 2018 14:51:18 GMT -6
Fucking lierish, wrong again
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 14:55:09 GMT -6
Flag lowered back....I guess smarter and more mature heads prevailed. Must have convinced Trump that it didn't look good for him politically as opposed to just being an honorable human being. Can't imagine Sarah Sanders lying her way out of that one as to the reason it was it was raised in the first place. Funny since proper protocol was followed. dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/white-house-flag-mccain/Official U.S. code dictates that after the death of a member of Congress, the flag must be flown at half-staff on the day of death and the day after. This procedure was followed by the White House staff, who lowered their flag on Saturday after the news of McCain’s death and kept it lowered all day Sunday. The discrepancy between the White House flag and the flag atop the Capitol is likely explained by a 2012 report from the Congressional Research Service, which states that, in practice, the flag atop the legislative chamber is kept lowered to half-staff until the day the deceased member is buried. fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34347.pdf........ Here we go with another "code". Tradition is that it's lowered until the funeral. Trump did as much with Billy Graham and several others. So don't give me your "code' BS. He doesn't HAVE to follow the "code". It's probably rarely followed.
And yep, Trump is all about "proper protocol". lol.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 14:58:19 GMT -6
Fucking lierish, wrong again For god's sake at least come up with your own moniker (that's like a "nickname") for me rather than stealing someone else's. 1tc worked very hard on coming up with that. Least you could do is give him credit for it.
And I think it's funny so many of you get so triggered by my posts but have little substance concerning the actual issue at hand.
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Post by jimmy on Aug 27, 2018 15:00:31 GMT -6
If by triggered you mean laughing at you, you nailed that one.
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Post by soonerbounce13 on Aug 27, 2018 15:01:35 GMT -6
This is just more fake news. The us flag code calls for the flag to be lowered on the day of death and the day after. Trump was following the code of the flag. I'm not saying that he isn't be petty about it but he is following code. How is it fake news? If he's being petty, and he is (evidenced by the fact that he has kept it lowered longer for things that suit his agenda), then he's using the flag to protest, is he not?
And so now, all of a sudden, "code" is important to him? He's kept the flags lowered for much lesser things when it was in his political interests to do so.
he is using the flag as a protest when he is using it the way he is supposed to? sounds a bit odd
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 15:06:38 GMT -6
How is it fake news? If he's being petty, and he is (evidenced by the fact that he has kept it lowered longer for things that suit his agenda), then he's using the flag to protest, is he not?
And so now, all of a sudden, "code" is important to him? He's kept the flags lowered for much lesser things when it was in his political interests to do so.
he is using the flag as a protest when he is using it the way he is supposed to? sounds a bit odd Quit being obtuse. You admitted that he was probably being petty. How can he be raising the flag because "it's code" and because "he might be being petty-paraphrase)"?
If he did it because he's being petty, it's a protest against McCain that he wants people to see. And if he's "all about the code", why did he raise it back? (Because the American Legion told him he better. lol).
You can admit that you like his policies AND that he does things that are without respect and honor. You won't go to hell because of it.
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Post by soonerbounce13 on Aug 27, 2018 15:08:27 GMT -6
Funny since proper protocol was followed. dailycaller.com/2018/08/27/white-house-flag-mccain/Official U.S. code dictates that after the death of a member of Congress, the flag must be flown at half-staff on the day of death and the day after. This procedure was followed by the White House staff, who lowered their flag on Saturday after the news of McCain’s death and kept it lowered all day Sunday. The discrepancy between the White House flag and the flag atop the Capitol is likely explained by a 2012 report from the Congressional Research Service, which states that, in practice, the flag atop the legislative chamber is kept lowered to half-staff until the day the deceased member is buried. fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34347.pdf........ Here we go with another "code". Tradition is that it's lowered until the funeral. Trump did as much with Billy Graham and several others. So don't give me your "code' BS. He doesn't HAVE to follow the "code". It's probably rarely followed.
And yep, Trump is all about "proper protocol". lol.
do you have anything to back this up with? Could it have to do with the fact that BG was lying in rest at the capital? Does anyone keep stats on flag lowerings?
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Post by sooner8th on Aug 27, 2018 15:09:14 GMT -6
How did Mccain sell his soul? He made a move to try and win the election that he was clearly losing. Palin wasn't prepared Answers your question for you. Anyone who knows what was going on in'08 knows that he had to pick a loudmouth conservative to solidify the base. Palin wasn't prepared and she is not smart at all, don't confuse the willingness to do anything with being smart - it is just a lack of character. Smarter than people give her credit for? She is a dumbass, so stupid what papers do you read was turned into a got ya question to cover her ignorant, hillbilly, white trash, crooked, lazy, fame seeking ass. A home run hire? Don't make me fall off my chair laughing. It was not a last ditch effort, the campaign was just starting. EVERYONE knows it was a total, complete and utter disaster with her knocked up, unwed, 17 year old skank daughter in tow. It defiantly constitutes as selling his soul. Do we want to talk about how he was treated in SC primary by bush and whatever the fuck his name is? Mccain, took that dirty filthy lying crap from them and to keep his place in line for the next election - sucked up to them for eight long years. Wow...you got anger issues man. Take a zanax I have seen people on here call Obama and his family so much worse.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 27, 2018 15:26:19 GMT -6
Here we go with another "code". Tradition is that it's lowered until the funeral. Trump did as much with Billy Graham and several others. So don't give me your "code' BS. He doesn't HAVE to follow the "code". It's probably rarely followed.
And yep, Trump is all about "proper protocol". lol.
do you have anything to back this up with? Could it have to do with the fact that BG was lying in rest at the capital? Does anyone keep stats on flag lowerings? 1. I looked it up so I could make sure I wasn't calling him out on something that wasn't true. I gave several examples above of when the flag was left lowered for various tragedies/events.
2. I have no idea. He wasn't the only example I gave. I gave several above.
3. I've looked and haven't seen anything official outside of articles.
And again. It's been ordered back up because he pissed off the American Legion. If it's all about "code" why didn't the WH just tell them that?
C'mon. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, which you've already admitted to. The man has been so petty with numerous other people that criticized him, and criticized the man we're discussing about his record as a POW. What shred of evidence would make you believe that what he did wasn't out of spite and not "for code?"
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Post by Boots on Aug 27, 2018 15:26:58 GMT -6
lolz.
God bless D. Trump
He has Mr. "Rule of Law" Irish insisting no one is or should follow code and 8thGrade staunchly defending a member of the GOP.
This is beautiful
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