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Post by sheepdog on Aug 8, 2018 10:39:26 GMT -6
Correct answer is 'No' even you are representing the Pope. It's asinine because the whole investigation is a farce...Comey termed it a 'counterintelligence' investigation because he knew no crime had been committed. That is why they put a 'spy' in Trump's campaign...and lied to the FISA judge. Also, as Prez, Trump could end the investigation and fire EVERYONE in the DOJ/FBI for no reason. He has magnificent powers granted to him thru the Constitution. Give him credit for not doing that...yes he needs to stay off Twitter, etc. but he is who he is. 99% on here don't like the guy; this is what you libs don't get. You attack the man viciously on here and expect us to get upset. Why? We agree with you. Attack his policies though and there will be a debate...This world, and especially this country, is in a much better place because of his dismantling Obama's tyranny and enacting policies that are best for most Americans. Only fools disagree with this... Mmmmkay. Snide(r).
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Post by politicalmexininja on Aug 8, 2018 10:42:01 GMT -6
Correct answer is 'No' even you are representing the Pope. It's asinine because the whole investigation is a farce...Comey termed it a 'counterintelligence' investigation because he knew no crime had been committed. That is why they put a 'spy' in Trump's campaign...and lied to the FISA judge. Also, as Prez, Trump could end the investigation and fire EVERYONE in the DOJ/FBI for no reason. He has magnificent powers granted to him thru the Constitution. Give him credit for not doing that...yes he needs to stay off Twitter, etc. but he is who he is. 99% on here don't like the guy; this is what you libs don't get. You attack the man viciously on here and expect us to get upset. Why? We agree with you. Attack his policies though and there will be a debate...This world, and especially this country, is in a much better place because of his dismantling Obama's tyranny and enacting policies that are best for most Americans. Only fools disagree with this... Mmmmkay. What do you dispute? About the economy? Or that mega-Lib Dershowitz is wrong and thus I am...
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 8, 2018 11:03:03 GMT -6
What do you dispute? About the economy? Or that mega-Lib Dershowitz is wrong and thus I am... Oh good...nothing like using the logical fallacy of appeal to authority to make your case. Give me five minutes and I'll google up a bunch of smart attorneys who disagree with Dershowtiz. Wait, I don't even have to google, what about republican poster boy Trey Gowdy who told Trump to stop acting like a guilty person and let the investigation play out? I don't think he thinks it's a farce.
I won't give him credit for using the powers granted to him because although he might posses the powers legally, he knows it would cause civil unrest if he did and would thus be much worse for HIM. So, at this point, he's not doing that, although I think it could happen if Mueller starts indicting close friends and family members as the noose starts to tighten (he'll become more brazen after the midterms, I believe).
As to "this country and world" being in a much better place....that's subjective. It's like saying our standing across the world is much better (maybe it is, maybe it isn't but it's subjective until empirical perimeters are set).
And I don't have a problem with some of Trump's policies. I just tend to think that some level of truth telling is important when you hold that office. Some of you, many of you, tend to think that it's irrelevant. You might admit it, but you won't admit it matters. It matters, for example, that he tries to convince the citizenry that "NK is no longer a nuclear threat". To many of you supporters, that's just part of his charm and showmanship. To me, it means he can't be trusted (not that many of them can be).
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Post by politicalmexininja on Aug 8, 2018 11:33:32 GMT -6
What do you dispute? About the economy? Or that mega-Lib Dershowitz is wrong and thus I am... Oh good...nothing like using the logical fallacy of appeal to authority to make your case. Give me five minutes and I'll google up a bunch of smart attorneys who disagree with Dershowtiz. Wait, I don't even have to google, what about republican poster boy Trey Gowdy who told Trump to stop acting like a guilty person and let the investigation play out? I don't think he thinks it's a farce. You won't find any credible attorney who says it's a good idea for the Prez to sit down for an interview...
I won't give him credit for using the powers granted to him because although he might posses the powers legally, he knows it would cause civil unrest if he did and would thus be much worse for HIM. So, at this point, he's not doing that, although I think it could happen if Mueller starts indicting close friends and family members as the noose starts to tighten (he'll become more brazen after the midterms, I believe). Civil unrest for the libs...BTW, there is already civil unrest..LOL
As to "this country and world" being in a much better place....that's subjective. It's like saying our standing across the world is much better (maybe it is, maybe it isn't but it's subjective until empirical perimeters are set). Don't be foolish....
And I don't have a problem with some of Trump's policies. I just tend to think that some level of truth telling is important when you hold that office. Some of you, many of you, tend to think that it's irrelevant. You might admit it, but you won't admit it matters. It matters, for example, that he tries to convince the citizenry that "NK is no longer a nuclear threat". To many of you supporters, that's just part of his charm and showmanship. To me, it means he can't be trusted (not that many of them can be). All Prez's lie...remember Obama??? I can accept that as he is human as are you...or do you never lie? Thus, it's irrelevant. I trust no politician. I trust their actions...
see above.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 8, 2018 11:58:36 GMT -6
Oh good...nothing like using the logical fallacy of appeal to authority to make your case. Give me five minutes and I'll google up a bunch of smart attorneys who disagree with Dershowtiz. Wait, I don't even have to google, what about republican poster boy Trey Gowdy who told Trump to stop acting like a guilty person and let the investigation play out? I don't think he thinks it's a farce. You won't find any credible attorney who says it's a good idea for the Prez to sit down for an interview...
I won't give him credit for using the powers granted to him because although he might posses the powers legally, he knows it would cause civil unrest if he did and would thus be much worse for HIM. So, at this point, he's not doing that, although I think it could happen if Mueller starts indicting close friends and family members as the noose starts to tighten (he'll become more brazen after the midterms, I believe). Civil unrest for the libs...BTW, there is already civil unrest..LOL
As to "this country and world" being in a much better place....that's subjective. It's like saying our standing across the world is much better (maybe it is, maybe it isn't but it's subjective until empirical perimeters are set). Don't be foolish....
And I don't have a problem with some of Trump's policies. I just tend to think that some level of truth telling is important when you hold that office. Some of you, many of you, tend to think that it's irrelevant. You might admit it, but you won't admit it matters. It matters, for example, that he tries to convince the citizenry that "NK is no longer a nuclear threat". To many of you supporters, that's just part of his charm and showmanship. To me, it means he can't be trusted (not that many of them can be). All Prez's lie...remember Obama??? I can accept that as he is human as are you...or do you never lie? Thus, it's irrelevant. I trust no politician. I trust their actions...
see above. 1. You're correct...you won't find a credible attorney that would tell him to sit down for an interview...but not for the reason you stated (that the investigation is a farce....that was your defense). They wouldn't have him sit down because they know he's incapable of telling the truth, about the simplest of things and would thus perjure himself, which is what I said in my original post. Gowdy doesn't think the investigation is a witch hunt. He's hardly a biased individual, at least for the libs.
2. And therein lies the problem. When a president can fire the very person investigating him and no one would care about it, due to their political affiliation and because they think the investigation is a farce, simply because they don't want their guy being found out, there is no hope for the country.
3. Ridiculous. Just because you want Trump to be successful doesn't mean he is unless you can prove those things with empirical evidence. Otherwise it's just your opinion on a very subjective matter and you know what they say about opinions.
4. No, I'm not a pathological liar and someone who would make statements that NK is no longer a nuclear threat. And you're full of crap if you expect me to believe that if you knew someone lied as much as he does that you wouldn't be suspicious of his actions....if it was anyone else obviously.
I expect all politicians to lie too, which is why I don't support or defend many of them. But this guy lies like no other human being I've ever seen lie before. And pardon me for expecting what someone says to matter. I believed "W" when he made the claim that Iraq/Hussein was involved in 9/11 as many other people did and thus gained my support. His actions cannot be separated from his words as they are part and parcel. And because of his lie, thousands upon thousands of people are dead that shouldn't be. That matters to me.
Habitual liars make people suspicious of their behavior and actions.....as they should. One of the reasons we attempt to teach our children to be truthful individuals.
It's kind of sad that I'm having to explain the importance of truthfulness and the importance of integrity of word and action to a purported Christian.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 8, 2018 12:03:22 GMT -6
Kenneth P. Vogel ✔ @kenvogel DRAMA: MANAFORT's attys accuse GATES of having FOUR extra-marital affairs, & suggest that he lied to MUELLER's team about them, which they contend could jeopardize Gates's plea agreement. Prosecutors objected to questioning, & after sidebar with Judge, Manafort's attys back down. 11:10 AM - Aug 8, 2018
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Kenneth P. Vogel ✔ @kenvogel Replying to @kenvogel UPDATE: Just asked MANAFORT's atty KEVIN DOWNING whether he was accusing RICK GATES of lying about the # of affairs he had to: (1) MUELLER's team or (2) on the witness stand. He paused to ponder, & said he'd get back to me because "I don't want to get cross-wise with the judge." 12:13 PM - Aug 8, 2018
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Post by nmgaucho on Aug 8, 2018 12:07:59 GMT -6
Subpoena that crooked sonofabitch Mueller!
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Post by 1tc on Aug 8, 2018 12:09:22 GMT -6
Subpoena that crooked sonofabitch Mueller! You guys are soooooo close!!
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 8, 2018 12:17:04 GMT -6
Subpoena that crooked sonofabitch Mueller!
Yep, treat him like any one of us would be treated.
If he's afraid of committing perjury, then don't commit perjury. Tell the truth....if you have the capacity and ability to do so.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 8, 2018 12:40:27 GMT -6
Kenneth P. Vogel ✔ @kenvogel DRAMA: MANAFORT's attys accuse GATES of having FOUR extra-marital affairs, & suggest that he lied to MUELLER's team about them, which they contend could jeopardize Gates's plea agreement. Prosecutors objected to questioning, & after sidebar with Judge, Manafort's attys back down. 11:10 AM - Aug 8, 2018 702 380 people are talking about this ....... Kenneth P. Vogel ✔ @kenvogel Replying to @kenvogel UPDATE: Just asked MANAFORT's atty KEVIN DOWNING whether he was accusing RICK GATES of lying about the # of affairs he had to: (1) MUELLER's team or (2) on the witness stand. He paused to ponder, & said he'd get back to me because "I don't want to get cross-wise with the judge." 12:13 PM - Aug 8, 2018 119 39 people are talking about this So extramarital affairs, even ones that weren't paid for, and lying about them, NOW might be something that would cause someone to question a person's credibility? lol.
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Post by sheepdog on Aug 8, 2018 12:42:39 GMT -6
4. No, I'm not a pathological liar and someone who would make statements that NK is no longer a nuclear threat. And you're full of crap if you expect me to believe that if you knew someone lied as much as he does that you wouldn't be suspicious of his actions....if it was anyone else obviously.
If you had an ill family member would you tell them they have a week at most before they perished? Clearly Trump wants what is the best outcome and if you find anything wrong with that that then you are the sick family member. You have no clue as to what the real outcome with North Korea will be as it is pure speculation at this point on both sides, so you have no grasp as to which side is more correct and you should be guided by this understanding. Again, does Japan feel threatened by us?
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Post by redstripe on Aug 8, 2018 15:22:34 GMT -6
Subpoena that crooked sonofabitch Mueller!
You're right Mueller is a crocked sonofabitch and I will love it when he is subpoenaed and asked about his attempted coup d'etat of the 45th President of the United States.
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Post by NN on Aug 8, 2018 20:15:50 GMT -6
Footage of Trump being held back from wanting to interview with Mueller.
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Post by okie52 on Aug 8, 2018 20:40:52 GMT -6
Comey is still a sellout scumbag....
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Post by politicalmexininja on Aug 9, 2018 3:35:35 GMT -6
1. You're correct...you won't find a credible attorney that would tell him to sit down for an interview...but not for the reason you stated (that the investigation is a farce....that was your defense). They wouldn't have him sit down because they know he's incapable of telling the truth, about the simplest of things and would thus perjure himself, which is what I said in my original post. Gowdy doesn't think the investigation is a witch hunt. He's hardly a biased individual, at least for the libs.
2. And therein lies the problem. When a president can fire the very person investigating him and no one would care about it, due to their political affiliation and because they think the investigation is a farce, simply because they don't want their guy being found out, there is no hope for the country.
3. Ridiculous. Just because you want Trump to be successful doesn't mean he is unless you can prove those things with empirical evidence. Otherwise it's just your opinion on a very subjective matter and you know what they say about opinions.
4. No, I'm not a pathological liar and someone who would make statements that NK is no longer a nuclear threat. And you're full of crap if you expect me to believe that if you knew someone lied as much as he does that you wouldn't be suspicious of his actions....if it was anyone else obviously.
I expect all politicians to lie too, which is why I don't support or defend many of them. But this guy lies like no other human being I've ever seen lie before. And pardon me for expecting what someone says to matter. I believed "W" when he made the claim that Iraq/Hussein was involved in 9/11 as many other people did and thus gained my support. His actions cannot be separated from his words as they are part and parcel. And because of his lie, thousands upon thousands of people are dead that shouldn't be. That matters to me.
Habitual liars make people suspicious of their behavior and actions.....as they should. One of the reasons we attempt to teach our children to be truthful individuals.
It's kind of sad that I'm having to explain the importance of truthfulness and the importance of integrity of word and action to a purported Christian.
Purported Christian....LOL....I'm a pseudo-Christian...keep up....There is a reason few people 'debate' you...you make allusions to a poster's positions which are false. Not only that, you use a wall of words to explain nothing of substance. You would make a great attorney. Nevertheless, I do get bored at times and like making you look silly. This will be my last response so make your last wall of meaningless words mean something. God bless, Irish, I truly hope you find your way back to Christ... A little early reading for ya.... "Jay Sekulow, an attorney for President Trump, said Wednesday that the president’s legal team turned down the latest interview proposal from Special Counsel Robert Mueller and promised to not allow the president to “walk into a perjury trap.” Mueller's team has put forward dozens of potential questions for Trump, including some about his firing of FBI Director James Comey. Trump's lawyers have argued that prosecutors can't ask Trump about actions he's taken while in office. "If you lined up 100 lawyers, you’d have 100 lawyers say: 'Don't sit down for an interview,'" Sekulow told Fox News' Laura Ingraham, host of "The Ingraham Angle." Sekulow said calling the Mueller investigation “irregular” is being kind."This is an investigation that from its outset has been corrupt, there’s no question about that," he said. Sekulow said the investigation is based on a dossier presented by a former British intelligence officer at the behest of Fusion GPS and the Democratic National Committee. He pointed to the fact that the Justice Department's former "number four"-- Bruce Ohr-- is married to a woman who worked for Fusion GPS on the dossier.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 9, 2018 4:49:24 GMT -6
Kenneth P. Vogel ✔ @kenvogel DRAMA: MANAFORT's attys accuse GATES of having FOUR extra-marital affairs, & suggest that he lied to MUELLER's team about them, which they contend could jeopardize Gates's plea agreement. Prosecutors objected to questioning, & after sidebar with Judge, Manafort's attys back down. 11:10 AM - Aug 8, 2018 702 380 people are talking about this ....... Kenneth P. Vogel ✔ @kenvogel Replying to @kenvogel UPDATE: Just asked MANAFORT's atty KEVIN DOWNING whether he was accusing RICK GATES of lying about the # of affairs he had to: (1) MUELLER's team or (2) on the witness stand. He paused to ponder, & said he'd get back to me because "I don't want to get cross-wise with the judge." 12:13 PM - Aug 8, 2018 119 39 people are talking about this So extramarital affairs, even ones that weren't paid for, and lying about them, NOW might be something that would cause someone to question a person's credibility? lol. Considering how the “star witness” withered under cross examination by the defense team the prior day, coupled with this, one could safely believe Gates’ credibility was destroyed. It will come down to what evidence the prosecutor has, but one must also remember that to date the prosecutor team has crossed the judge several times and was admonished for it. In fact, they took what was believed to be a “slam dunk” case and moved it into the gray area where Manafort just might walk category,(which if That happens, the outrage would be hysterical).
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 9, 2018 4:51:48 GMT -6
saraacarter.com/breaking-bruce-ohr-docs-raise-serious-questions/A law enforcement sensitive document written by senior Justice Department official, Bruce Ohr, is raising serious concerns amongst congressional investigators regarding testimony provided to Congress on the involvement of FBI special agents in the probe into the Trump campaign and its alleged Russian ties. Nov. 21, 2016, the handwritten document lists former FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok, his paramour FBI Attorney Lisa Page and Special Agent Joe Pientka (who along with Strzok interviewed former National Security Advisor Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn). Page’s name on Ohr’s notes raises a number of questions, particularly since she would not have normally been involved in national security investigations, a congressional investigator said. It also raises a number of questions regarding McCabe’s possible involvement and whether was he authorizing any meetings or communications with Ohr in regard to the Trump investigation, the investigators noted. Another congressional investigator told SaraACarter.com that the notes written by Ohr raise “concerns of previously undisclosed communications with the FBI and Ohr and how extensive these communications were. It also raises concerns about testimony given by Lisa Page, who downplayed her interactions with Ohr in her (July 13) testimony to Congress.” The notes at the bottom of the memo state, in sloppy writing, “no prosecution yet, pushing ahead on M case,” in reference to Paul Manafort, who is now facing years old charges on financial crimes and money laundering, according to congressional investigators.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 9, 2018 4:55:06 GMT -6
John Solomon with another bombshell: thehill.com/hilltv/rising/401007-opinion-top-doj-official-discussed-getting-steele-back-into-fbi-mueller-probeOpinion: Top DOJ official discussed getting Steele back into FBI, Mueller probe ........ But the text messages are the first indication of an apparent effort to get Steele restored to good graces with the FBI and, possibly, to have him assist Mueller, an effort that appeared to surface as a serious idea in July 2017. “Hi Bruce, hope you’re enjoying the summer,” Steele wrote Ohr on July 16, 2017. “I spoke to my old colleagues last week and they assured me they would not stand in the way of our re-engagement with the Bureau.” Ohr texted back: “I will pass this along to my colleagues. Thanks!” ........ A month later in that Aug. 6, 2017, text was the one time, apparently, Steele mentioned Mueller by name to Ohr. And the intelligence operative tried to instill a sense of urgency, suggesting he had new intel that could assist the Russia case. “There are some new, perishable, operational opportunities which we do not want to miss out on,” he wrote. The text messages and other communications between Ohr and Steele don’t indicate what ultimately happened. But, in multiple conversations, they talked about reengagement and used the shorthand “SC.” For example, when Congress got the first documents that revealed some of the substance of Steele’s work for the FBI, the former Clinton-funded muckraker wrote back to Ohr. “Very concerned about this,” he texted on Oct. 26, 2017. “Peoples (sic) lives may be endangered. I shall also reach out to my other (SC) contacts on this issue tomorrow.” “Whenever convenient, I would like a chat, there’s a lot going on and we are frustrated with how long this re-engagement with the Bureau and Mueller is taking,” Steele texted Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr on Aug. 6, 2017. “Anything you could do to accelerate the process would be much appreciated.” “Chris, good to hear from you,” Ohr texted back as he proposed times when the two could discuss the idea. The exchange — one of several in which Steele proposed a return to the Russia probe — has captured the attention of investigators in Congress and the Department of Justice (DOJ). Some of them told me they are stunned that a top Rosenstein aide would even consider restoring Steele to the case, and with good reason. A month later in that Aug. 6, 2017, text was the one time, apparently, Steele mentioned Mueller by name to Ohr. And the intelligence operative tried to instill a sense of urgency, suggesting he had new intel that could assist the Russia case. “There are some new, perishable, operational opportunities which we do not want to miss out on,” he wrote. The text messages and other communications between Ohr and Steele don’t indicate what ultimately happened. But, in multiple conversations, they talked about reengagement and used the shorthand “SC.” Whatever the case, the text messages portray Steele as increasingly aggravated that his return to informant’s work on the Russia case was going so slowly. “I am presuming you’ve heard nothing back from your SC colleagues on the issues you kindly put to them from me,” Steele texted Ohr on Nov. 18, 2017. “We have heard nothing from them either. “To say this is disappointing would be an understatement! Certain people have been willing to risk everything to engage with them in an effort to help them reach the truth.”
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 9, 2018 4:58:35 GMT -6
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 9, 2018 7:38:04 GMT -6
1. You're correct...you won't find a credible attorney that would tell him to sit down for an interview...but not for the reason you stated (that the investigation is a farce....that was your defense). They wouldn't have him sit down because they know he's incapable of telling the truth, about the simplest of things and would thus perjure himself, which is what I said in my original post. Gowdy doesn't think the investigation is a witch hunt. He's hardly a biased individual, at least for the libs.
2. And therein lies the problem. When a president can fire the very person investigating him and no one would care about it, due to their political affiliation and because they think the investigation is a farce, simply because they don't want their guy being found out, there is no hope for the country.
3. Ridiculous. Just because you want Trump to be successful doesn't mean he is unless you can prove those things with empirical evidence. Otherwise it's just your opinion on a very subjective matter and you know what they say about opinions.
4. No, I'm not a pathological liar and someone who would make statements that NK is no longer a nuclear threat. And you're full of crap if you expect me to believe that if you knew someone lied as much as he does that you wouldn't be suspicious of his actions....if it was anyone else obviously.
I expect all politicians to lie too, which is why I don't support or defend many of them. But this guy lies like no other human being I've ever seen lie before. And pardon me for expecting what someone says to matter. I believed "W" when he made the claim that Iraq/Hussein was involved in 9/11 as many other people did and thus gained my support. His actions cannot be separated from his words as they are part and parcel. And because of his lie, thousands upon thousands of people are dead that shouldn't be. That matters to me.
Habitual liars make people suspicious of their behavior and actions.....as they should. One of the reasons we attempt to teach our children to be truthful individuals.
It's kind of sad that I'm having to explain the importance of truthfulness and the importance of integrity of word and action to a purported Christian.
Purported Christian....LOL....I'm a pseudo-Christian...keep up....There is a reason few people 'debate' you...you make allusions to a poster's positions which are false. Not only that, you use a wall of words to explain nothing of substance. You would make a great attorney. Nevertheless, I do get bored at times and like making you look silly. This will be my last response so make your last wall of meaningless words mean something. God bless, Irish, I truly hope you find your way back to Christ... A little early reading for ya.... "Jay Sekulow, an attorney for President Trump, said Wednesday that the president’s legal team turned down the latest interview proposal from Special Counsel Robert Mueller and promised to not allow the president to “walk into a perjury trap.” Mueller's team has put forward dozens of potential questions for Trump, including some about his firing of FBI Director James Comey. Trump's lawyers have argued that prosecutors can't ask Trump about actions he's taken while in office. "If you lined up 100 lawyers, you’d have 100 lawyers say: 'Don't sit down for an interview,'" Sekulow told Fox News' Laura Ingraham, host of "The Ingraham Angle." Sekulow said calling the Mueller investigation “irregular” is being kind."This is an investigation that from its outset has been corrupt, there’s no question about that," he said. Sekulow said the investigation is based on a dossier presented by a former British intelligence officer at the behest of Fusion GPS and the Democratic National Committee. He pointed to the fact that the Justice Department's former "number four"-- Bruce Ohr-- is married to a woman who worked for Fusion GPS on the dossier. Oh good...another logical fallacy....the appeal to the majority
Oh, Sekulow...you mean Trump's attorney who lies as much as Trump does? Or, I'm sorry, misspeaks when new, "facts" arise....as if Trump didn't know he penned that letter when he did it and his attorney didn't know. Yeah, right. New facts. Pffft. Lying. So, yeah, I'll take he word on it.
Again, your defense was it's a farce. Republican Trey Gowdy, you know, that guy that all of you conservatives run to for examples of fairness and the ability to be unbiased, thinks it's a legit case.
And I don't know what you're arguing. I said I wouldn't have him sit down for an interview if he was my client, either...so I agree with you. He's a terrible liar. I mean he's good in terms of the quantity of lies he tells but he doesn't have enough self-awareness to realize when he's doing it (It was a great letter from KJU, fantastic letter, you'll love it.....'what did the letter say, Mr. President?'......I don't know, I haven't opened it yet---a conversation that lasted about two minutes where he didn't even realize he was lying). That's why no attorney would have him interview. They know he's a liar and won't tell the truth and perjure himself. Plain and simple. But you keep going with that "witch hunt" defense.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 9, 2018 8:34:26 GMT -6
dailycaller.com/2018/08/09/christopher-steele-deripaska-bruce-ohr/Christopher Steele was working on the Trump dossier at the same time he was lobbying DOJ official Bruce Ohr on behalf of a Russian oligarch linked to Putin. Newly revealed emails show Steele thought the U.S. government should grant visas to Deripaska, who had been barred from traveling to the U.S. Steele asked Ohr to “keep an eye” on Deripaska’s visa case. At the same time Christopher Steele was compiling a dossier accusing the Trump campaign of colluding with the Russian government, the former British spy was lobbying Department of Justice official Bruce Ohr on behalf of a Russian oligarch with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. The connection between Steele and the oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, is laid out in emails the Justice Department recently provided Congress. The emails show that Steele, a former British spy, advocated for Deripaska in negotiations over his visa status with the U.S. government. Deripaska, an aluminum magnate, had been blocked from traveling to the U.S. in 2006 because of suspected ties to Russian mobsters. Deripaska hired an American lawyer named Adam Waldman in 2009 to lobby the U.S. government to obtain a visa for the billionaire. The Washington Examiner detailed the exchanges, which show Steele discussing Deripaska with Ohr, the former No. 4 official at the Justice Department. Steele’s relationship with Deripaska has been one of the more bizarre aspects of the dossier saga, mainly because it raises the possibility that the Putin-connected businessman was a source for the salacious document. Steele’s unverified 35-page dossier relies heavily on information from anonymous Kremlin insiders who claimed that the Russian government was colluding with the Trump campaign to defeat Hillary Clinton. (RELATED: Oleg Deripaska’s Lawyer Goes On The Record About His Senate Testimony) “I heard from Adam WALDMAN yesterday that OD is applying for another official US visa ice [sic] APEC business at the end of February,” Steele wrote in a Jan. 12, 2016, email to Ohr, according to The Examiner.
Steele claimed that Deripaska had been “encouraged by the Agency guys who told Adam that the USG [United States Government] stance on [Deripaska] is softening.”
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 9, 2018 11:55:46 GMT -6
Byron York Byron York @byronyork Emails raise clear question of whether Steele was working with/for Russian oligarch Deripaska at same time Steele was compiling dossier--and whether Justice Department, along with Simpson, Fusion GPS, was part of the project. www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/emails-show-2016-links-among-steele-ohr-simpson-with-russian-oligarch-in-background?platform=hootsuiteThere are no emails for more than three months after March 17. Then, on July 1, came the first apparent reference to Donald Trump, then preparing to accept the Republican nomination for president. “I am seeing [redacted] in London next week to discuss ongoing business,” Steele wrote to Ohr, “but there is something separate I wanted to discuss with you informally and separately. It concerns our favourite business tycoon!” Steele said he had planned to come to the U.S. soon, but now it looked like it would not be until August. He needed to talk in the next few days, he said, and suggested getting together by Skype before he left on holiday. Ohr suggested talking on July 7. Steele agreed. Ohr’s phone log for July 7 notes, “Call with Chris Steele” from 8:00 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. eastern time. On the morning of Friday, July 29, Steele wrote to say that he would “be in DC at short notice on business” later that day and Saturday. He asked if Ohr and wife Nellie were free for breakfast on Saturday morning. They were, and agreed to meet for breakfast at the Mayflower Hotel in downtown Washington. Ohr’s log of contacts with Steele lists a meeting with Steele on July 30. Steele finished installments of the dossier on July 19 and 26. On Aug. 22, Ohr received an email from Simpson with the subject line “Can u ring.” There was no message beyond a phone number. Ohr’s log lists some sort of contact — it’s not specified what — with Simpson on Aug. 22. Steele dated three installments of the dossier on Sept. 14. On Sept. 16, Steele wrote Ohr to say that he would be back in Washington soon “on business of mutual interest.” Ohr said he would be out of town Sept. 19-21. On Sept. 21, Steele wrote to say he was in Washington and was “keen to meet up with you.” The two agreed to have breakfast on Sept. 23. Meeting on that date would be “more useful,” Steele said, “after my scheduled meetings” the day before. It’s not clear what those scheduled meetings were. Ohr’s log lists a meeting with Steele on Sept. 23. On October 18, Steele emailed Ohr at 6:51 a.m. with a pressing matter. “If you are in Washington today, I have something quite urgent I would like to discuss with you, preferably by Skype (even before work if you can).” Steele wrote. Ohr suggested they do it immediately. “Thanks Bruce. 2 mins,” Steele replied. Ohr’s log lists a call with Steele on Oct. 18. Steele finished dossier installments on Oct. 18, 19, and 20. The installment on Oct. 18 was the infamous Russians-offer-Carter-Page-millions-of-dollars allegation, and the ones on Oct. 19 and 20 concerned Manafort’s alleged role in an alleged collusion scheme. Ohr’s phone log indicates that he called Simpson on Dec. 8 to set up a meeting for coffee the next day, Dec. 9. There is not another email until Dec. 11. Simpson sent Nellie Ohr a link to an article in the left-wing ThinkProgress headlined, “Why has the NRA been cozying up to Russia?” The article focused on now-indicted Russian agent Maria Butina and Russian Alexander Torshin. Nellie Ohr responded, “Thank you!” to which Simpson, the next day, answered, “Please ring if you can.” Nellie Ohr forwarded the Simpson message to Bruce Ohr, saying, “I assume Glenn means you not me.” Ohr’s phone log on Dec. 13 said, “Glenn Simpson. Some more news. Yesterday 9:27 a.m. Spoke with him.” Steele dated a dossier installment Dec. 13. On Jan. 20, 2017, inauguration day, Bruce Ohr received an email from Simpson that said simply, “Can you call me please?” “The emails raise a clear question of whether Steele was working, directly or indirectly, with Oleg Deripaska at the same time Steele was compiling the dossier — and whether the Justice Department, along with Simpson and Fusion GPS, was part of the project. Given Deripaska’s place in the Russian power structure, what that means in the big picture is unclear,” Byron York said.
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Post by kcrufnek on Aug 9, 2018 13:22:51 GMT -6
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 9, 2018 18:14:38 GMT -6
More on this: www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/manafort-trial-mueller-gates-ellis-768715The 78-year-old Ronald Reagan appointee has repeatedly tweaked Mueller’s team, on everything from the logic of their assertions to a prosecutor’s informality in answering a question with a “yeah” instead of “yes.” He has hurried along their case and blocked them from introducing some evidence of Manafort’s lavish lifestyle. Taken on their own, the individual rebukes are relatively minor. But some legal experts say that, cumulatively, they could plant doubt in the mind of jurors about the strength of the prosecution’s case. Renato Mariotti, a prominent former federal prosecutor, tweeted Wednesday that Ellis has made “improper statements that have hurt the prosecution.” Mueller’s team even filed a formal written protest on Thursday about the judge’s behavior, complaining that prosecutors were being unfairly called out in front of the jury.[/i] The jury and not Ellis will decide Manafort’s fate. But the rulings and commentary of a seasoned judge are sure to have influence over jurors.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 9, 2018 18:38:24 GMT -6
Techno Fog Techno Fog @techno_Fog The basis for the motion is that Judge Ellis: 1) Agreed that the Special Counsel's expert could observe the trial. 2) Admonished the Special Counsel for then having its expert observe the trial. Techno Fog Techno Fog @techno_Fog · 9h Replying to @techno_Fog Here is the interaction from the transcript. Special Counsel moved to exclude all witnesses, except for their expert and case agent. Judge Ellis: "I will grant the motion to exclude witnesses." Techno Fog @techno_Fog · 9h The expert testifies, and Judge Ellis is surprised that he was in the courtroom all through the trial. Techno Fog @techno_Fog · 9h Judge Ellis admits here that maybe his instructions weren't quite "clear." Recall, the Judge said "I will grant the motion to exclude witnesses." He didn't state that he made exceptions, but the Special Counsel made an understandable assumption.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 10, 2018 11:15:59 GMT -6
Well shucks....looks like Mueller's investigation won't be over by September as Trump's crazy lawyer, Giuliani, has demanded as Mueller has subpoenaed Randy Credico, whom Roger Stone stated was his back channel to Julian Assange. Don't want to come in for a voluntary interview....fine, we'll just subpoena you. And don't you worry Mr. Stone, I bet there's a subpoena with your name on it as well. www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/politics/randy-credico-roger-stone-wikileaks/index.htmlSpecial counsel Robert Mueller has subpoenaed Randy Credico to testify before a grand jury next month, according to Credico's attorney. Martin Stolar told CNN he received a subpoena Thursday and Credico intends to comply and testify on September 7. Credico, a comedian and radio show host, will likely meet with Mueller's team for a voluntary interview first. Credico previously declined a request from Mueller's team for a voluntary interview. Roger Stone claimed Credico was his back-channel to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange during the 2016 campaign. Stolar said it's unclear exactly what Mueller's team wants to question Credico about. "My speculation is that they probably want to talk to him about Roger Stone and Julian Assange," Stolar said.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 10, 2018 11:21:22 GMT -6
www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-10/witness-mueller-probe-held-contempt-court-refusing-testifyA federal judge held a witness in special Counsel Robert Mueller's probe of Russian interference in contempt of court for refusing to testify before a grand jury. According to the Washington Post, District Chief Judge Beryl Howell made the ruling on Friday after a sealed hearing to discuss Andrew Miller’s refusal to appear before the grand jury. Miller is a former aide to longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone. After the hearing, Miller’s lawyer Paul Kamenar said Miller was “held in contempt, which we asked him to be in order for us to appeal the judge’s decision to the court of appeals.” Howell stayed her order while Miller’s legal team appeals the judge’s decision. www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/witness-in-mueller-probe-refuses-to-appear-before-grand-jury/2018/08/10/73e27130-9ca4-11e8-843b-36e177f3081c_story.html?utm_term=.2a8427f4cfc9Earlier this month, Miller fought and lost a court battle to quash a subpoena after a judge issued a 93-page opinion saying Miller must testify before the grand jury. According to the WaPo, the chairman of the National Legal and Policy Center, Peter Flaherty, a conservative nonprofit that is funding Miller’s legal fight, said Miller had refused to appear before the grand jury in response to a subpoena. Miller is in Missouri, Flaherty said. Earlier in the day, Kamenar and Flaherty were seen entering Howell’s courtroom before she sealed it, and declined to comment on the proceeding. Kamenar spoke afterward, confirming it was a hearing held after prosecutors filed a motion to find the witness in contempt.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 10, 2018 11:23:15 GMT -6
Well shucks....looks like Mueller's investigation won't be over by September as Trump's crazy lawyer, Giuliani, has demanded as Mueller has subpoenaed Randy Credico, whom Roger Stone stated was his back channel to Julian Assange. Don't want to come in for a voluntary interview....fine, we'll just subpoena you. And don't you worry Mr. Stone, I bet there's a subpoena with your name on it as well. www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/politics/randy-credico-roger-stone-wikileaks/index.htmlSpecial counsel Robert Mueller has subpoenaed Randy Credico to testify before a grand jury next month, according to Credico's attorney. Martin Stolar told CNN he received a subpoena Thursday and Credico intends to comply and testify on September 7. Credico, a comedian and radio show host, will likely meet with Mueller's team for a voluntary interview first. Credico previously declined a request from Mueller's team for a voluntary interview. Roger Stone claimed Credico was his back-channel to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange during the 2016 campaign. Stolar said it's unclear exactly what Mueller's team wants to question Credico about. "My speculation is that they probably want to talk to him about Roger Stone and Julian Assange," Stolar said. Mueller is going to drag it out for as long as he can. If he can inadvertently “influence “ the midterms, no harm no foul right?
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 10, 2018 11:32:26 GMT -6
Well shucks....looks like Mueller's investigation won't be over by September as Trump's crazy lawyer, Giuliani, has demanded as Mueller has subpoenaed Randy Credico, whom Roger Stone stated was his back channel to Julian Assange. Don't want to come in for a voluntary interview....fine, we'll just subpoena you. And don't you worry Mr. Stone, I bet there's a subpoena with your name on it as well. www.cnn.com/2018/08/10/politics/randy-credico-roger-stone-wikileaks/index.htmlSpecial counsel Robert Mueller has subpoenaed Randy Credico to testify before a grand jury next month, according to Credico's attorney. Martin Stolar told CNN he received a subpoena Thursday and Credico intends to comply and testify on September 7. Credico, a comedian and radio show host, will likely meet with Mueller's team for a voluntary interview first. Credico previously declined a request from Mueller's team for a voluntary interview. Roger Stone claimed Credico was his back-channel to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange during the 2016 campaign. Stolar said it's unclear exactly what Mueller's team wants to question Credico about. "My speculation is that they probably want to talk to him about Roger Stone and Julian Assange," Stolar said. Mueller is going to drag it out for as long as he can. If he can inadvertently “influence “ the midterms, no harm no foul right? Yeah that's it. It's not like it matters anyway. Trumpers gonna Trump no matter what he does anyway....5th avenue and all that.
Matter of fact, I'm sure that's Giuliani's strategy. Tell Mueller to get it done by September, knowing that Mueller is under no obligation to do so, then when October rolls around and it's still going on Trump can whine to his minions that he's being mistreated and the witch hunt and NFL players are hurting America (cue the violins) in an attempt to rile up what might be an otherwise less energetic turnout for midterms.
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