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Post by Boots on Aug 29, 2018 15:51:09 GMT -6
Neither 8thGrade nor his High School buddy can debate their way out of a wet paper bag. Any entertainment value is gone. You have yet to state one facts, so what is there to debate? You can’t even back up your evangelicals are leftist claim. I hope you are a better attorney than a message board poster. You stated your thoughts on who got Trump elected. I told you that you knew as much as the prognosticators on election night. And please quote my "Evangelicals" are leftists quote. I'll wait.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 29, 2018 16:12:09 GMT -6
You have yet to state one facts, so what is there to debate? You can’t even back up your evangelicals are leftist claim. I hope you are a better attorney than a message board poster. You stated your thoughts on who got Trump elected. I told you that you knew as much as the prognosticators on election night. And please quote my "Evangelicals" are leftists quote. I'll wait. You are correct. You said evangelicals are never trumpers, not leftists. Regardless, Trump carried around 80% of their vote so my point stands. And where did I state my thoughts on who got trump elected? I said it’s perplexing that he carries such high numbers of evangelicals and veterans. I know why he got elected. It’s the pendulum effect from Obama to Trump and sadly it’s going to swing farther left the next time.
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Post by oilsooner on Aug 29, 2018 16:21:22 GMT -6
You stated your thoughts on who got Trump elected. I told you that you knew as much as the prognosticators on election night. And please quote my "Evangelicals" are leftists quote. I'll wait. You are correct. You said evangelicals are never trumpers, not leftists. Regardless, Trump carried around 80% of their vote so my point stands. And where did I state my thoughts on who got trump elected? I said it’s perplexing that he carries such high numbers of evangelicals and veterans. I know why he got elected. It’s the pendulum effect from Obama to Trump and sadly it’s going to swing farther left the next time. The only way Trump is a pendulum affect from Obama is that Obama's admin was engaging in some potentially illegal behavior, and enough of it leaked out to elect someone pledged to clean it up. Whether you think Hillary would have cleaned it up, or deny it was even happening, or hope Trump will fix it, I don't know. But I do know Trump claiming he was going to expose and fix the corruption was a cornerstone of his campaign, and was the main reason he was elected.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 29, 2018 16:38:16 GMT -6
You are correct. You said evangelicals are never trumpers, not leftists. Regardless, Trump carried around 80% of their vote so my point stands. And where did I state my thoughts on who got trump elected? I said it’s perplexing that he carries such high numbers of evangelicals and veterans. I know why he got elected. It’s the pendulum effect from Obama to Trump and sadly it’s going to swing farther left the next time. The only way Trump is a pendulum affect from Obama is that Obama's admin was engaging in some potentially illegal behavior, and enough of it leaked out to elect someone pledged to clean it up. Whether you think Hillary would have cleaned it up, or deny it was even happening, or hope Trump will fix it, I don't know. But I do know Trump claiming he was going to expose and fix the corruption was a cornerstone of his campaign, and was the main reason he was elected. The BLM villainizing police, the over zealous PC police, forcing LBGQ and TG acceptance, the utter disdain for Hillary and the status quo, and many more issues is why Trump won. And now both sides are digging in deeper and closing their minds to rational assume that even more. It’s devolved into a war of catch phrases and criticism with very little substance. There is no value in truth and honest assessment of issues. Just rhetoric. The best thing to happen to the socialist movement is Trump. The GOP is addicted to his high floor, a Trump endorsement is enough to push a candidate to victory, especially in the GOP primary. The bad part is he has a very low ceiling, as many will not vote for a Trump candidate regardless of political positions. Mid terms are going to be interesting. I’m voting for a big meteor to take us all out.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 29, 2018 16:39:33 GMT -6
I should proof read my posts before hitting send. Oh well.
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Post by oilsooner on Aug 29, 2018 16:46:21 GMT -6
Irish is the only current intelligent adult on here that is left of center. If he’d admit his bias to give the conversation some honesty, it’d prob lend his posts some much needed credibility. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by oilsooner on Aug 29, 2018 16:52:27 GMT -6
The only way Trump is a pendulum affect from Obama is that Obama's admin was engaging in some potentially illegal behavior, and enough of it leaked out to elect someone pledged to clean it up. Whether you think Hillary would have cleaned it up, or deny it was even happening, or hope Trump will fix it, I don't know. But I do know Trump claiming he was going to expose and fix the corruption was a cornerstone of his campaign, and was the main reason he was elected. The BLM villainizing police, the over zealous PC police, forcing LBGQ and TG acceptance, the utter disdain for Hillary and the status quo, and many more issues is why Trump won. Yeah sure, but lock her up was the key to the whole deal. It symbolized his promise to clean up fast and furious, the tarmac meeting, Benghazi, the IRS targeting the tea party, the Iran deal, and I could keep going. Not to mention the rumors he was being spied on (which, ironically, were being put out BY the MSM who denied it once Trump publicly accused the FBI). Agree - And now both sides are digging in deeper and closing their minds to rational assume that even more. It’s devolved into a war of catch phrases and criticism with very little substance. There is no value in truth and honest assessment of issues. Just rhetoric. Maybe agree - The best thing to happen to the socialist movement is Trump. Somewhat Agree - The GOP is addicted to his high floor, a Trump endorsement is enough to push a candidate to victory, especially in the GOP primary. The bad part is he has a very low ceiling, as many will not vote for a Trump candidate regardless of political positions. Mid terms are going to be interesting. Lol, been there man - I’m voting for a big meteor to take us all out. ^^^^ Sorry for my shitty quoting. I’m not good at it on my phone. Clearly. Anyway, my replies are up there. Lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by kcrufnek on Aug 29, 2018 16:52:53 GMT -6
Meh, the vast majority of my clients are attorneys. There are plenty of narrow minded idiots in that field. Aren’t you a recovering junkie? I thought they teach you to be more civil to others in recovery. I am and am proud of it. 11 years, 1 month, 9 days. Civil to others in recovery? Recovery has nothing to do with being an ignorant troll who has nothing to say and certainly nothing to add.
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Post by brokebacksooner on Aug 29, 2018 17:31:16 GMT -6
There’s also the issue with him insulting a gold star family because they had the audacity to criticize him. Then wraps himself in the flag and poses as a patriot. It’s completely baffling that he gets the support he does from the side who claims to be more patriotic. The same thing with the evangelical vote. The guy is anything but Christian yet he gets their vote. The tribal politics that we are seeing today is truly fascinating. Do you use salt and pepper when you swallow down the bullshit being fed to you everyday? Unless there is a completely new definition of what an evangelical is, you are totally confused if you believe those are the people that elected trump.
Evengelical is left wing code for people who cannot think for themselves and that are dominated by some church doctrine.
Evengelical would fall into the group of the never trumpers
The phrase of tribal politics is insulting and condescending.. You want everyone to line up to be placed in their tidy square pegs And if they break off into their own faction, day must be some part of an ignorant and backward tribe? How about, 63 million Americans were tired of the same political bullshit that is going on every single day in Washington DC going nowhere. How about 63 million Americans were smart enough to give someone else a chance to do something as opposed to recyclying the same f******* clintons or bushes every single election cycle All you have is the complain about his personal failings, and refuse to dollars the dizzying success of his policies At the same time, you are so desperate to hold on to power that you blindly ignore the daily on swaths of information that directly shows what amounts to a political coup against the duly elected president of the United States You m************ are so far on the wrong side of history you should be embarrassed Have to disagree with you here. Robert Jeffress; pastor of First Baptist Church Dallas said: If you are calling Robert Jeffress left wing; then you are definitely as far right wing as one can get.
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Post by slytherin on Aug 29, 2018 17:37:51 GMT -6
Fly them at half-staff, get it over with, and let's move on. McCain was the biggest RINO to ever live. I respect his military service, but he was a POS in politics. When the liberal media is praising you? You're a POS. My, my, my, my how the tables have turned. Look how far the republican party has been totally taken over the crazy wingnuts. IF a dem were to be saying this about mccain rightwingnuts would be freaking out. Your party has zero respect for folks who went and fought for our country. Attacked American war hero John Kerry, hammering John McCain while standing by and defending cowards like cadet bones spurs, five deferments physical coward trump, capt lost weekend in mexico bush, mr I've got more important things to do than serve, 7 deferments cheney, Gingrich I could go on and on. Not to mention thief hunter in CA who committed fraud saying he was giving money to vet groups when he was stealing. Your "support" for the military is dependent on their political views. Shame on all of you people. Hypocrites. That's funny, cause I am an 82nd Airborne veteran. What unit did you serve in? General Gaylord's Humping Homosexual battalion I would wager. Don't even try to tell me "what my party" has or doesn't have. I'm not in a "party." I vote R because they are more closely in line with what I believe, and only a fucking full-blown kook could support what the dems have been doing since Trump got elected. You and yours are in-fucking-sane with anger, angst and hate. So go piss up a rope and fuck yourself at the same time icky.
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Post by slytherin on Aug 29, 2018 17:41:28 GMT -6
I should proof read my posts before hitting send. Oh well. To be fair and honest, you probably should just go ahead with the lobotomy and save us all the trouble of wading through your spew.
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Post by sooner8th on Aug 29, 2018 17:49:05 GMT -6
My, my, my, my how the tables have turned. Look how far the republican party has been totally taken over the crazy wingnuts. IF a dem were to be saying this about mccain rightwingnuts would be freaking out. Your party has zero respect for folks who went and fought for our country. Attacked American war hero John Kerry, hammering John McCain while standing by and defending cowards like cadet bones spurs, five deferments physical coward trump, capt lost weekend in mexico bush, mr I've got more important things to do than serve, 7 deferments cheney, Gingrich I could go on and on. Not to mention thief hunter in CA who committed fraud saying he was giving money to vet groups when he was stealing. Your "support" for the military is dependent on their political views. Shame on all of you people. Hypocrites. That's funny, cause I am an 82nd Airborne veteran. What unit did you serve in? General Gaylord's Humping Homosexual battalion I would wager. Don't even try to tell me "what my party" has or doesn't have. I'm not in a "party." I vote R because they are more closely in line with what I believe, and only a fucking full-blown kook could support what the dems have been doing since Trump got elected. You and yours are in-fucking-sane with anger, angst and hate. So go piss up a rope and fuck yourself at the same time icky.You are a classic republican, embarrassed with your party so you claim to not be one then vote for them. You and yours are in-fucking-sane with anger, angst and hate. So go piss up a rope and fuck yourself at the same time icky. You see no hypocrisy here? Your party lied repeatedly about genuine war hero John Kerry, did you stand up for Lieutenant, Junior Grade Retired, Joseph Robert Kerrey member of SEAL Team ONE or did you keep your mouth shut and vote for coward bush who spent his "tour" drinking in mexico? FUCK YOU lying piece of shit.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 29, 2018 17:50:28 GMT -6
I should proof read my posts before hitting send. Oh well. To be fair and honest, you probably should just go ahead with the lobotomy and save us all the trouble of wading through your spew. Yawn. I’ll let you know when I’m concerned with the opinion of a fat closed minded redneck.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 29, 2018 17:56:42 GMT -6
This has been fun but my continuing education seminar is over, now back to real life and away from this life suck. Enjoy your circle jerk.
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Post by 1tc on Aug 29, 2018 18:00:29 GMT -6
That's funny, cause I am an 82nd Airborne veteran. What unit did you serve in? General Gaylord's Humping Homosexual battalion I would wager. Don't even try to tell me "what my party" has or doesn't have. I'm not in a "party." I vote R because they are more closely in line with what I believe, and only a fucking full-blown kook could support what the dems have been doing since Trump got elected. You and yours are in-fucking-sane with anger, angst and hate. So go piss up a rope and fuck yourself at the same time icky.You are a classic republican, embarrassed with your party so you claim to not be one then vote for them. You and yours are in-fucking-sane with anger, angst and hate. So go piss up a rope and fuck yourself at the same time icky. You see no hypocrisy here? Your party lied repeatedly about genuine war hero John Kerry, did you stand up for Lieutenant, Junior Grade Retired, Joseph Robert Kerrey member of SEAL Team ONE or did you keep your mouth shut and vote for coward bush who spent his "tour" drinking in mexico? FUCK YOU lying piece of shit. Who is this hero who retired as a LTJG?
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Post by Boots on Aug 29, 2018 18:43:40 GMT -6
You stated your thoughts on who got Trump elected. I told you that you knew as much as the prognosticators on election night. And please quote my "Evangelicals" are leftists quote. I'll wait. You are correct. You said evangelicals are never trumpers, not leftists. Regardless, Trump carried around 80% of their vote so my point stands. And where did I state my thoughts on who got trump elected? I said it’s perplexing that he carries such high numbers of evangelicals and veterans. I know why he got elected. It’s the pendulum effect from Obama to Trump and sadly it’s going to swing farther left the next time. Progress. Thank you. I only took issue with what is now a buzz word "evangelical". This is simply some Catholics and mostly protestants. Exit polls showed 80% Trump while later studies show closer to 60% But it it the negative connotation - whether you intended or not - that Evangelicalism is Bible Thumperism. That is simply not true, but the narrative has been that they are not intelligent and blindly follow gospel leaders. But you post I responded to did not mention veterans - I dont think - but I responded to the same condescending phrase of tribalism for much of the same reason. The reason Trump won runs much deeper than that and it has little to do with faith or groups.
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Post by Boots on Aug 29, 2018 18:48:22 GMT -6
Do you use salt and pepper when you swallow down the bullshit being fed to you everyday? Unless there is a completely new definition of what an evangelical is, you are totally confused if you believe those are the people that elected trump.
Evengelical is left wing code for people who cannot think for themselves and that are dominated by some church doctrine.
Evengelical would fall into the group of the never trumpers
The phrase of tribal politics is insulting and condescending.. You want everyone to line up to be placed in their tidy square pegs And if they break off into their own faction, day must be some part of an ignorant and backward tribe? How about, 63 million Americans were tired of the same political bullshit that is going on every single day in Washington DC going nowhere. How about 63 million Americans were smart enough to give someone else a chance to do something as opposed to recyclying the same f******* clintons or bushes every single election cycle All you have is the complain about his personal failings, and refuse to dollars the dizzying success of his policies At the same time, you are so desperate to hold on to power that you blindly ignore the daily on swaths of information that directly shows what amounts to a political coup against the duly elected president of the United States You m************ are so far on the wrong side of history you should be embarrassed Have to disagree with you here. Robert Jeffress; pastor of First Baptist Church Dallas said: If you are calling Robert Jeffress left wing; then you are definitely as far right wing as one can get. Never said "Evangelicals" were left wing, and I certainly won't allow an anecdotal quite from some pastor to speak for hundreds of millions of people anymore than I believe the TV talking head whennthey invoke what the "American people" want. The left have hijacked the churchgoing people of the US and labelled them "Evangelical" because of bible thumping connotation.
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Post by brokebacksooner on Aug 29, 2018 19:27:18 GMT -6
Have to disagree with you here. Robert Jeffress; pastor of First Baptist Church Dallas said: If you are calling Robert Jeffress left wing; then you are definitely as far right wing as one can get. Never said "Evangelicals" were left wing, and I certainly won't allow an anecdotal quite from some pastor to speak for hundreds of millions of people anymore than I believe the TV talking head whennthey invoke what the "American people" want. The left have hijacked the churchgoing people of the US and labelled them "Evangelical" because of bible thumping connotation. You said: I provided a direct quote from the pastor of one of the largest SBC churches in America where he refers to himself and others like him as "evangelical". Robert Jeffress is undisputedly one of the leaders of the SBC. Southern Baptists are the largest Protestant denomination in the US, by the way. People such as him proudly carry the evangelical label. You said that someone was confused if they thought that evangelicals elected Trump yet I provided a direct quote some one who identifies themselves as evangelical; and is a leader of his definition of evangelical; is clearly supporting Trump and is saying that his definition of evangelicals (not "the left's" definition) supports Trump. If your definition of evangelicals are never Trumpers; perhaps we should look at your definition because self described evangelicals disagree with you.
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Post by Cletus on Aug 29, 2018 19:47:39 GMT -6
Just watched the McCain doc on HBO. Guy was real class. In that spirit I wish to apologize for the name calling and insults. I don’t want to be part of the problem. I don’t mind political discussion but all too often it devolves into the very garbage that is dividing this country. Social media sites and political message boards are a cancer when it comes to political discourse in this country. I’ve got to be better than that. I’d love to actually discuss politics in person in some of you here.
Again, apologies to all I’ve insulted,
God Bless America and RIP JOHN McCain
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Post by Boots on Aug 29, 2018 20:13:16 GMT -6
This has been fun but my continuing education seminar is over, now back to real life and away from this life suck. Enjoy your circle jerk.
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Post by Boots on Aug 29, 2018 20:15:07 GMT -6
Just watched the McCain doc on HBO. Guy was real class. In that spirit I wish to apologize for the name calling and insults. I don’t want to be part of the problem. I don’t mind political discussion but all too often it devolves into the very garbage that is dividing this country. Social media sites and political message boards are a cancer when it comes to political discourse in this country. I’ve got to be better than that. I’d love to actually discuss politics in person in some of you here. Again, apologies to all I’ve insulted, God Bless America and RIP JOHN McCain You can quote whoever you want. It is nothing more than another attempt to denigrate he electors.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 29, 2018 22:01:42 GMT -6
Meh, the vast majority of my clients are attorneys. There are plenty of narrow minded idiots in that field. Aren’t you a recovering junkie? I thought they teach you to be more civil to others in recovery. I am and am proud of it. 11 years, 1 month, 9 days. Civil to others in recovery? Recovery has nothing to do with being an ignorant troll who has nothing to say and certainly nothing to add. We don't agree on much with regard to Trump (we'd probably agree on much more than we think, I'm sure) but a genuine congrats and much respect to you for your long recovery. I can't say I know firsthand how bad that struggle is but as a p.o. I knew of it secondarily. And I know it's the most difficult thing that most will do in their entire lives. So again, congrats. Keep up the great work.
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Post by kcrufnek on Aug 29, 2018 22:07:10 GMT -6
We don't agree on much with regard to Trump (we'd probably agree on much more than we think, I'm sure) but a genuine congrats and much respect to you for your long recovery. I can't say I know firsthand how bad that struggle is but as a p.o. I knew of it secondarily. And I know it's the most difficult thing that most will do in their entire lives. So again, congrats. Keep up the great work. To be honest I don't discuss things such as politics, sex, religion, etc., in normal life as you can see where it leads. That's what places like this are for. We can bloody each other up and then go about our lives. I appreciate that. You never think you will slip into it but it's so easy yet so hard to get away from. Almost from the start you're telling yourself this is bad and you need to stop but then off you go. I'd like to say I'm on top of it but I'm only good up until right now. Only I can control the future. Hopefully those that you know are doing well also.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 29, 2018 22:17:49 GMT -6
We don't agree on much with regard to Trump (we'd probably agree on much more than we think, I'm sure) but a genuine congrats and much respect to you for your long recovery. I can't say I know firsthand how bad that struggle is but as a p.o. I knew of it secondarily. And I know it's the most difficult thing that most will do in their entire lives. So again, congrats. Keep up the great work. To be honest I don't discuss things such as politics, sex, religion, etc., in normal life as you can see where it leads. That's what places like this are for. We can bloody each other up and then go about our lives. I appreciate that. You never think you will slip into it but it's so easy yet so hard to get away from. Almost from the start you're telling yourself this is bad and you need to stop but then off you go. I'd like to say I'm on top of it but I'm only good up until right now. Only I can control the future. Hopefully those that you know are doing well also. It's been a while since I've seen anyone since I'm no longer a p.o. However, I do remember one young man who made every meeting with me and worked his program quite well. We weren't supposed to give gifts but I felt so good for this guy I went to mardel's and bought him a journal to keep for his progress. I'd like to think he's doing well. I always wanted to specialize in drug court but couldn't get assigned (something else worked out though) as I think drug court is one of the best and most promising programs in the judicial system. Of course, it only applies to those whom have criminal drug charges as opposed to having an addiction alone. I also thoroughly enjoyed Mike Tyson's biography, (much about drug addiction and what was driving it) and videos of his on youtube with regard to addiction. Anyway, just wanted to say congrats at what I'm sure was a very difficult fight. Back to blooding each other up.....
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Post by sooner8th on Aug 29, 2018 22:53:45 GMT -6
You are a classic republican, embarrassed with your party so you claim to not be one then vote for them. You and yours are in-fucking-sane with anger, angst and hate. So go piss up a rope and fuck yourself at the same time icky. You see no hypocrisy here? Your party lied repeatedly about genuine war hero John Kerry, did you stand up for Lieutenant, Junior Grade Retired, Joseph Robert Kerrey member of SEAL Team ONE or did you keep your mouth shut and vote for coward bush who spent his "tour" drinking in mexico? FUCK YOU lying piece of shit. Who is this hero who retired as a LTJG? My bad Lieutenant, Junior Grade Retired, Joseph Robert Kerrey member of SEAL Team ONE is former DEMOCRATIC governor of Nebraska January 1, 1970 – John Kerry promoted to (full) Lieutenant. Just say thank you to both of them for their service and sacrifice.
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Post by sooner8th on Aug 29, 2018 23:13:47 GMT -6
Just watched the McCain doc on HBO. Guy was real class. In that spirit I wish to apologize for the name calling and insults. I don’t want to be part of the problem. I don’t mind political discussion but all too often it devolves into the very garbage that is dividing this country. Social media sites and political message boards are a cancer when it comes to political discourse in this country. I’ve got to be better than that. I’d love to actually discuss politics in person in some of you here. Again, apologies to all I’ve insulted, God Bless America and RIP JOHN McCain You can quote whoever you want. It is nothing more than another attempt to denigrate he electors. Don't apologize to these idiots.
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Post by kcrufnek on Aug 30, 2018 2:40:10 GMT -6
It's been a while since I've seen anyone since I'm no longer a p.o. However, I do remember one young man who made every meeting with me and worked his program quite well. We weren't supposed to give gifts but I felt so good for this guy I went to mardel's and bought him a journal to keep for his progress. I'd like to think he's doing well. I always wanted to specialize in drug court but couldn't get assigned (something else worked out though) as I think drug court is one of the best and most promising programs in the judicial system. Of course, it only applies to those whom have criminal drug charges as opposed to having an addiction alone. I also thoroughly enjoyed Mike Tyson's biography, (much about drug addiction and what was driving it) and videos of his on youtube with regard to addiction. Anyway, just wanted to say congrats at what I'm sure was a very difficult fight. Back to blooding each other up..... I sometimes wonder what ever happened to my party buddies but to be honest without the dope I'd have never associated with them. None of my friends or co workers did that shit - at least not to my knowledge. And, despite saying no one knows, everyone knows. I know that my staying clean puts me in the 3% that never go back. I'm afraid I'm not a steps or meetings guy. Rehab lasted about a week for me. Wasn't ready. I just reached a point, fork in the road, edge of the abyss - whatever you want to call it. I realized I was at a point in my life where it was either get my shit straight or get ready to lose anything/anyone I had left. Criminal charges? I can't tell you how lucky I was. I never interacted with LE once. So many times I had plenty of weight on me and nothing. I'm also lucky to be alive as I was in so many situations where it could have/should have gone badly. Back to reality. Fuck Notre Dame!!!
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Post by stinger1066 on Aug 30, 2018 3:45:59 GMT -6
"We are three-hundred-and-twenty-five million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement."
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Post by 1tc on Aug 30, 2018 5:18:55 GMT -6
Who is this hero who retired as a LTJG? My bad Lieutenant, Junior Grade Retired, Joseph Robert Kerrey member of SEAL Team ONE is former DEMOCRATIC governor of Nebraska January 1, 1970 – John Kerry promoted to (full) Lieutenant. Just say thank you to both of them for their service and sacrifice. You should thank me for my service. lol Not many people spend 20 years in the Navy to retire as an O-2 or O-3. I was just curious to see how wrong you were. Are you talking about John Kerry or Bob Kerrey?
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Post by sooner8th on Aug 30, 2018 6:28:25 GMT -6
My bad Lieutenant, Junior Grade Retired, Joseph Robert Kerrey member of SEAL Team ONE is former DEMOCRATIC governor of Nebraska January 1, 1970 – John Kerry promoted to (full) Lieutenant. Just say thank you to both of them for their service and sacrifice. You should thank me for my service. lol Not many people spend 20 years in the Navy to retire as an O-2 or O-3. I was just curious to see how wrong you were. Are you talking about John Kerry or Bob Kerrey? John Kerry, Bob Kerrey's given name is Joseph Robert Kerrey. Both combat wounded vets in the navy. I read that that confusion happens a lot. Basically throw a rock and hit a demcrats who service in country in Nam. I will treat you like republicans treat democrats who served and how trump is treating mccain.
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