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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 21, 2018 12:44:28 GMT -6
Fake news reporting that Cohen is going to enter a plea deal later today. Expect the Trump twitter rants to be ramped up as they have been in the past several days. For those curious: www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/ex-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-discussing-plea-deal-prosecutors-n902571Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney, is discussing a possible guilty plea with federal prosecutors in Manhattan in connection with tax fraud and banking-related matters, multiple sources familiar with the matter tell NBC News. Those sources stress no deal has been reached but do say the potential deal could be reached as early as today. The plea could have significant implications for Trump, who has blasted Cohen ever since his former fixer and his attorney, old Clinton hand Lanny Davis, began signaling this summer that Cohen might cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. When reached by NBC, Davis said he cannot comment on advice of counsel since there is an ongoing investigation. Cohen has previously denied wrongdoing. ........ Also, Mueller’s team has pushed back Flynn’s sentencing hearing,(yet again,(makes it the fourth time ) : Conversation kelly cohen kelly cohen @politicohen_ NEW - robert mueller’s team has again delayed michael flynn’s sentencing hearing, which means he is likely still cooperating with the special counsel. next update will be 9/17.
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Post by 1tc on Aug 21, 2018 12:47:01 GMT -6
You guys have President Trump right where you want him!!! Any day now and he'll be escorted out of the White House!!
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 21, 2018 12:47:53 GMT -6
Adding to my last post:
Coincidentally, 09/17 is also the date Paul Manafort is scheduled to go to trial in DC.
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Post by Boots on Aug 21, 2018 12:52:28 GMT -6
Plea deals happen 95% of the time. You can get a 3 point reduction for making that decision quickly. That does not mean there is a 5k (cooperation agreement). Trump has no reason to sweat it Yeah, I know it doesn't mean cooperation. That being said, don't think for a minute he isn't sweating it. He's sweating all of this as his twitter rants illustrate. I don't keep up with the tweets. What I do know is that if Cohen had a scintilla of information on anyone whose name sounds like Crump, Stump or Lump, Mueller woukd have never referred the case to USA Southern District of NY.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 21, 2018 12:53:25 GMT -6
Wow, the deal INCLUDES prison time. Must have a pretty strong case against him. Mueller, Comey and all those Hillary supporters at the FBI must have worked hard together on this one.
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Post by NN on Aug 21, 2018 12:54:10 GMT -6
LOL, this isn't about convictions right now, just leverage and pressure.
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Post by 1tc on Aug 21, 2018 12:59:08 GMT -6
Yeah, I know it doesn't mean cooperation. That being said, don't think for a minute he isn't sweating it. He's sweating all of this as his twitter rants illustrate. I don't keep up with the tweets. What I do know is that if Cohen had a scintilla of information on anyone whose name sounds like Crump, Stump or Lump, Mueller woukd have never referred the case to USA Southern District of NY. How does that typically work regarding which District a case gets referred to? I'd assume geographically but am just curious.
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Post by sooner98 on Aug 21, 2018 13:37:50 GMT -6
Plea deals happen 95% of the time. You can get a 3 point reduction for making that decision quickly. That does not mean there is a 5k (cooperation agreement). Trump has no reason to sweat it Yeah, I know it doesn't mean cooperation. That being said, don't think for a minute he isn't sweating it. He's sweating all of this as his twitter rants illustrate. Donald Trump goes on morning Twitter rant. Or, a more accurate description: "Tuesday".
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Post by sooner98 on Aug 21, 2018 13:47:16 GMT -6
LOL, this isn't about convictions right now, just leverage and pressure. How do you get leverage and exert pressure on someone AFTER they've pleaded guilty?
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 21, 2018 13:54:12 GMT -6
LOL, this isn't about convictions right now, just leverage and pressure. How do you get leverage and exert pressure on someone AFTER they've pleaded guilty? If the plea agreement is contingent on cooperation. (they're acting as though that's not the case though).
NN is saying, I think, and I've said in the past when people like to use, "well no one has been indicted yet" as a defense against future indictments or wrong doing, that you leverage the smaller people (by offering plea deals) in an effort to get the bigger fish, whomever they might be.
I don't know if they're leveraging Cohen as it pertains to Trump but they're reporting he is still getting prison time in the plea deal. So maybe he is cooperating or maybe he just plead to avoid a longer sentence. They said the cooperation agreement is a public document (?) and they'll know soon enough if there is a cooperation deal.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 21, 2018 13:59:39 GMT -6
Wow, the deal INCLUDES prison time. Must have a pretty strong case against him. Mueller, Comey and all those Hillary supporters at the FBI must have worked hard together on this one. More for those curious: www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-21/michael-cohen-exploring-possible-plea-deal-prosecutorsMicheal Cohen Plea Deal Involves Jail Time; Will Not Cooperate With Government Profile picture for user Tyler Durden by Tyler Durden Tue, 08/21/2018 - 13:53 174 SHARES TwitterFacebookRedditEmailPrint Update 3: The NYT confirms that Michael Cohen's plea deal does not involve co-operation with the government, but will include jail time. The plea deal will include tax fraud and bank fraud. According to Harry Sandick, a former federal prosecutor in Manhattan, there could be several reasons for Cohen to plead guilty without a cooperation deal, according. As Bloomberg notes, it’s possible that federal prosecutors don’t consider his information valuable or view him as a worthy witness. But that could change. “It could mean that they don’t need him or don’t trust him, or just aren’t ready to cut the deal yet,” said Sandick, now a defense attorney at Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP. “Trump might be happy if there’s no cooperation today, but there could be cooperation in the future." As Bloomberg also adds, the charges against Cohen could expose Trump to new risks. Few deputies at his namesake company were as involved in its various dealings as Cohen. With an office on the 26th floor in Trump Tower that was just a few feet away from his boss’s, Cohen styled himself as a loyal attack dog - upbraiding reporters in efforts to kill unflattering news articles and arranging deals to stifle accusations by women who alleged extramarital affairs. * * * Update 2: Michael Cohen will appear in a Manhattan federal courtroom at 4 p.m. Tuesday, a spokesman for the federal prosecutor in Manhattan told Bloomberg; The statement came shortly after ABC News reported that Cohen had reached a tentative agreement to plead guilty. Cohen is expected to appear in front of Judge William Pauley III. CNN adds that Cohen has now surrendered to the FBI. ....... Update: Michael Cohen has entered into a plea agreement on campaign finance violations, bank fraud and tax evasion with federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York, according to ABC, confirming earlier reports. However, contrary to the NBC suggestion that Cohen would "flip" on Trump as part of the plea, CNN reported that as part of the plea deal under discussion, Cohen is not expected to cooperate with the government. Instead, by pleading guilty, both Cohen and prosecutors would avoid the spectacle and uncertainty of a trial. Prosecutors said in court their investigation is into Cohen's personal financial dealings. The search warrant authorizing the FBI raid referenced Cohen's taxi medallion business, the identity of banks that loaned him money and payments made to suppress negative information during the presidential campaign, such as the $130,000 hush money payment Cohen made days before the election to porn star Stormy Daniels, who alleges she had an affair with Trump nearly a decade ago. Trump has denied an affair. It's not clear how any plea deal with Cohen might affect other entities that have been under scrutiny by federal prosecutors as part of the Cohen investigation, including the publisher of the National Enquirer, American Media Inc., which gave a $150,000 contract during the 2016 election cycle to another woman who alleged an affair with Trump.
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Post by NN on Aug 21, 2018 14:10:06 GMT -6
LOL, this isn't about convictions right now, just leverage and pressure. How do you get leverage and exert pressure on someone AFTER they've pleaded guilty? LOL, you think hes pleading guilty just to go off and serve time?
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 21, 2018 14:21:05 GMT -6
How do you get leverage and exert pressure on someone AFTER they've pleaded guilty? LOL, you think hes pleading guilty just to go off and serve time? Maybe to serve LESS time. They must have a mountain of evidence against him, either way.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 21, 2018 14:27:06 GMT -6
Verdict on 8 of the counts; can't come to a verdict on 10 of the counts on Manafort.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 21, 2018 14:37:03 GMT -6
Mistrial on the 10 counts; verdict coming on the other 8 will be read and guilty on at least one count.
Edit: Guilty on all 8 counts.
Sorry Boots. No mistrial on all counts.
Get ready for the, "he's a nice man...this is a terrible injustice" hogwash.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 21, 2018 14:51:14 GMT -6
Cohen tells judge that he administered payments to two individuals(didn't mention their names but I wonder who it could be???) in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office. lol.
Can't wait to hear crazy Guilliani's spin on this one.
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Post by sheepdog on Aug 21, 2018 14:57:43 GMT -6
Mistrial on the 10 counts; verdict coming on the other 8 will be read and guilty on at least one count.
Edit: Guilty on all 8 counts.
Sorry Boots. No mistrial on all counts.
Get ready for the, "he's a nice man...this is a terrible injustice" hogwash. And like clockwork the drama queen doesn't disappoint.
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 21, 2018 15:02:48 GMT -6
Mistrial on the 10 counts; verdict coming on the other 8 will be read and guilty on at least one count.
Edit: Guilty on all 8 counts.
Sorry Boots. No mistrial on all counts.
Get ready for the, "he's a nice man...this is a terrible injustice" hogwash. And like clockwork the drama queen doesn't disappoint. Drama? Just pointing out what happened today. Would you prefer me link, copy and paste a bunch of articles about it?
Don't kill the messenger.
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Post by 1tc on Aug 21, 2018 15:09:17 GMT -6
Mistrial on the 10 counts; verdict coming on the other 8 will be read and guilty on at least one count.
Edit: Guilty on all 8 counts.
Sorry Boots. No mistrial on all counts.
Get ready for the, "he's a nice man...this is a terrible injustice" hogwash. And like clockwork the drama queen doesn't disappoint. the guy we exposed as a liar?
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Post by NN on Aug 21, 2018 15:10:55 GMT -6
Yeah, I know it doesn't mean cooperation. That being said, don't think for a minute he isn't sweating it. He's sweating all of this as his twitter rants illustrate. I don't keep up with the tweets. What I do know is that if Cohen had a scintilla of information on anyone whose name sounds like Crump, Stump or Lump, Mueller woukd have never referred the case to USA Southern District of NY. Muellar just not putting all his eggs in one basket. It would look pretty fishy to fire his way out of two investigations.
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Post by xingtherubicon on Aug 21, 2018 15:14:13 GMT -6
Russia collusion to date:
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Post by Boots on Aug 21, 2018 15:32:11 GMT -6
I don't keep up with the tweets. What I do know is that if Cohen had a scintilla of information on anyone whose name sounds like Crump, Stump or Lump, Mueller woukd have never referred the case to USA Southern District of NY. How does that typically work regarding which District a case gets referred to? I'd assume geographically but am just curious. Special Counsel is multi jurisdictional. If they dont want a vanilla tax evasion type case - like this one - farm it out to primary DOJ office. He isn't going to flip of they would have kept him. Besides Cohen has been called liar and thief by the government themselves. Rhe most dsngerous issue is the campaign finance stuff and he have to prove the suspect knew it was illegal. John Edwards says "good luck". Thats why worst case scenario, they pay the money back.
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Post by Boots on Aug 21, 2018 15:34:36 GMT -6
Mistrial on the 10 counts; verdict coming on the other 8 will be read and guilty on at least one count.
Edit: Guilty on all 8 counts.
Sorry Boots. No mistrial on all counts.
Get ready for the, "he's a nice man...this is a terrible injustice" hogwash. Collusion proven
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Post by sheepdog on Aug 21, 2018 15:42:10 GMT -6
And like clockwork the drama queen doesn't disappoint. Drama? Just pointing out what happened today. Would you prefer me link, copy and paste a bunch of articles about it?
Don't kill the messenger.
The following is an example of "Just pointing out what happened today." "Sorry Boots. No mistrial on all counts. Get ready for the, "he's a nice man...this is a terrible injustice" hogwash."
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Post by okirishfan on Aug 21, 2018 15:47:29 GMT -6
Drama? Just pointing out what happened today. Would you prefer me link, copy and paste a bunch of articles about it?
Don't kill the messenger.
The following is an example of "Just pointing out what happened today." "Sorry Boots. No mistrial on all counts. Get ready for the, "he's a nice man...this is a terrible injustice" hogwash." Upset with the state of current events today are we? That's right, attack the messenger, not the message.
Remember, you're the one that started this with calling me a "drama queen". What happened to those words of wisdom you offered me a couple days ago about "self awareness' and "reflection"?
But it's okay. I can handle the attacks. I get you're just bothered with today's news.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 21, 2018 15:51:26 GMT -6
www.dailywire.com/news/34830/manafort-found-guilty-some-charges-judge-declares-ryan-saavedra?ampFormer Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was found guilty in federal court on Tuesday of eight out of the 18 criminal counts filed against him. Manafort was found guilty of five counts of tax fraud, two counts of bank fraud, and one count of "failing to file foreign bank account reports," CNBC reported. U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis declared a mistrial on the remaining 10 charges since the jury was not able to come to a consensus. The Associated Press ✔ @ap BREAKING: Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort guilty of 8 charges; mistrial declared on 10 others. 4:41 PM - Aug 21, 2018 2,179 1,645 people are talking about this The charges against Manafort surrounded his work in Ukraine over a decade ago and had nothing to do with his involvement with the Trump campaign.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 21, 2018 15:59:04 GMT -6
The following is an example of "Just pointing out what happened today." "Sorry Boots. No mistrial on all counts. Get ready for the, "he's a nice man...this is a terrible injustice" hogwash." Upset with the state of current events today are we? That's right, attack the messenger, not the message.
Remember, you're the one that started this with calling me a "drama queen". What happened to those words of wisdom you offered me a couple days ago about "self awareness' and "reflection"?
But it's okay. I can handle the attacks. I get you're just bothered with today's news.
No need for anyone to be upset as what happened today on both fronts was long known. Manafort being guilty on work not related to Trump,(but Work over a decade ago), was know.ln. As a slam dunk case. Only red flag on that one is him being found guilty on less than half the charges,(8 of 18). As for Cohen, he was showing signs on flipping for awhile. Especially this from back in July: amp.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-collusion-michael-cohen-2016-trump-tower-meeting-russian-lawyer-2018-7Translation: Cohen will say, do whatever will benefit him,(cough Gates cough), but he will need hard proof and not speculation to prove his claim,(which his big bombshell is Trump having affairs and paying people to be silent,(like every other celebrity, politician, etc). I’m still waiting on the evidence of collusion &/or collaboration with Russia,(which was the foundation & reason the Special Council was created). Might be waiting awhile on that one. Edit: Let’s also not overlook the fact that as part of the plea deal, Cohen will not help the government.
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Post by sheepdog on Aug 21, 2018 16:05:21 GMT -6
The following is an example of "Just pointing out what happened today." "Sorry Boots. No mistrial on all counts. Get ready for the, "he's a nice man...this is a terrible injustice" hogwash." Upset with the state of current events today are we? That's right, attack the messenger, not the message.
Remember, you're the one that started this with calling me a "drama queen". What happened to those words of wisdom you offered me a couple days ago about "self awareness' and "reflection"?
But it's okay. I can handle the attacks. I get you're just bothered with today's news.
I do not care about Manafort and it has no bearing on collusion. Either you stated "just pointing out what happened today" or you did not and the facts speak for themselves. Either you stated "Get ready for the, "he's a nice man...this is a terrible injustice" hogwash" or you did not and the facts, again, speak for themselves. Now your last quote was not an example of what "just happened" as it is more of "what you want to occur," so enough of the "attack the messenger" bit. I brought up reflection because you have mastered the art of deflection just like you did in your past message. All of a sudden I'm upset about something I could care less about, as in Pauly Shore Manafort. I've never supported or stood up for the schnook, yet it weighs heavy on me. Get real.
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Post by soonernvolved on Aug 21, 2018 16:10:14 GMT -6
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/21/trump-reacts-to-paul-manafort-michael-cohen-verdicts-no-russian-collusion/amp/President Donald Trump told reporters on the ground in Charleston, West Virginia, on Tuesday evening that the convictions of his former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, and his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, had nothing to do with “Russian collusion.” Manafort was convicted by a jury on eight counts of bank fraud and tax evasion; the jury failed to reach a verdict on ten counts. Cohen pleaded guilty in an agreement with prosecutors and alleged that a “candidate” ad directed him to violate finance laws. Trump spoke to reporters: I feel badly for him. I must tell you that Paul Manafort’s a good man. He was with Ronald Reagan. He was with a lot of different people over the years, and I feel very sad about that. It doesn’t involve me, but I still feel, you know, it’s a very sad thing that happened. This has nothing to do with Russian collusion. This started as Russian collusion. This has absolutely nothing to do — it’s a witch hunt, and it’s a disgrace. This has nothing to do [with] what they started out looking for Russians involved in our campaign. There were none. I feel very badly for Paul Manafort — again, he worked for Bob Dole, he worked for Ronald Reagan, he worked for many people. And this is the way it ends up. And it was not the original mission, believe me — it was something very much different. So, [it] had nothing to do with Russian collusion. We continue the witch hunt. Thank you very much.
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Post by Boots on Aug 21, 2018 16:12:39 GMT -6
LOL, this isn't about convictions right now, just leverage and pressure. It used to be. After 18 some odd months, anyone associated with the investigation know that barring new info, this has gone no where and its going no where. I wonder if they will push for an investigation into how all this shit started. I want then to but at the same time I am exhausted by it all. Just fucking govern already.
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